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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by mindgam3 »

system2 wrote: post #97
mindgam3 wrote: post #36

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play. It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while t…

I think Zuckerberg is just helping the internet to learn and evolve. Without his evil products, we wouldn't understand the psychological harm of the internet. These will clear up in the next 5-10 years.

My bad. I didn’t realize we should be thanking him for making billions off of evil products while teaching us a lesson about psychological harm on the internet. Lesson learned! /s

Edit: Sorry for the snark. The idea that Zuckerberg is “helping” us with his lack of integrity is so absurd that I assumed you were trolling. It’s not just absurd but dangerous as the other reply to your comment stated better than I did.

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Post by enraged_camel »

sixothree wrote: post #103
Angostura wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Election integrity is a media hysteria. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote in a particular way. I think transparency is a real issue - knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. But if they can control what you see, here and know about an issue, they don't need to force you - do they?

> Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. Persuasion works and can be bought with money. It would be naive to think any of us in this thread are immune to persuasion.

Yes, but we all want to know who is doing the persuading.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by usrusr »

randartie wrote: post #85
Barrin92 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Mark as far as social networks are concerned. The 'social' part of the name is important, and social relationships cannot function without some sort of stake. Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust.

This sure is getting a fair bit of downvotes. I mostly agree with you though. Having a single identity reduces trolling, it's as simple as looking at Facebook vs Twitter. People are less likely to message nasty things to others if their real life reputation is on the line, I take that as fact.

I see the exact opposite: the reasonable voices are chilled into silence due to lack of identity siloing, the grotesquely uninhibited remain vocal.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by usrusr »

mindgam3 wrote: post #36

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play. It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while t…

I would not generally rule out an element of the alcoholic asking for locks to be put on the liquor cabinet.

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Post by nydel »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

> "Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy.

then, does each user with multiple friends sub-lists exhibit a lack of integrity as well?

only if by 'identity' he means 'set of collectable data' and this seems to be the case.

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Post by asciident »

fromMars wrote: post #56
morley wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HN in particular is too focused on "loss of privacy" as an issue. It seems to me that loss of privacy, while concerning, hasn't caused a fraction of the tangible, measurable problems in the west that misinformation and echo chambers have caused. Loss of privacy hasn't caused anti-immigrant fear-mongering, or conspiracy theorists harassing school shooting victims, or people not vaccinating their children. In a…

I agree. I am not sure that any substantial "loss of privacy" has even occurred. Just to posit an example, Banks and Credit Bureaus have long tracked extensive information about us including where we have lived, worked, and what we have purchased. Should we be able to have our credit history erased from Credit Bureau and Banks in the name of privacy?

Seriously. If people actually cared about privacy, let's do something about credit bureaus and insurance companies. Because I can do something about it if I don't want Facebook to know I'm friends with someone or bought something on Amazon. But I can barely do anything about credit or insurance. They literally ruin lives, cost people thousands of dollars, target the poor, have terrible security, literally sell your data, and yet everyone is all up in arms about the permissions on their photos that they voluntarily posted on Facebook.

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Post by catern »

tcbawo wrote: post #44
flafla2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you suggest a better strategy at policing data misuse by social media companies, other than regulating social media explicitly (as this post calls for)? I agree that Mark Zuckerberg/Facebook is unshakably biased and shouldn't be writing the regulations themselves -- but nothing in the linked article seems to me to be written in bad faith. In fact, I see the same talking points (ex: bringing GDPR to the US, adopti…

FINRA is a non-government, industry driven (self-regulatory) organization for the US stock market. It exists to discourage fraud and bad practices without requiring a heavy hand of government. The SEC mostly focuses on lawbreakers. Internet companies would do well to create a similar, open structure before government steps in to over-regulate.

Hmm, if you directly translated FINRA to internet companies, new startups would have to be licensed with the internet SRO (self-regulatory organization) before they could offer services to the public.

That's an interesting idea, is it actually what you are suggesting?

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Post by beenBoutIT »

smhenderson wrote: post #53

F*ck MZ. He is the last person I want advice from on making the Internet better. FB is part of the problem and I have little to no hope they will ever be part of the solution.

Zuckerberg is a rational actor that's smart enough to know that he's not going to want any knee-jerk solution put together by idiot politicians. I'm confident that he doesn't want FB being permanently hobbled by laws or acts of Congress.

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Post by kristianc »

hellllllllooo wrote: post #73
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

Yeah it's nonsense. Having a separation between my work and personal life is a completely valid reason for having multiple online identities. There are plenty of other valid reasons. Obviously Mark would love us to be constrained to single username so that he can create a more complete profile for selling to advertisers. Data from a real name user is more valuable for correlation with other data sources. This "philos…

He can't have his cake and eat it. Either he has to deal with two separate identities, or he gets a sanitized 'work me' which will be as good as useless for advertising. Your choice Mark.

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Post by mindgam3 »

usrusr wrote: post #114
mindgam3 wrote: post #36

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play. It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while t…

I would not generally rule out an element of the alcoholic asking for locks to be put on the liquor cabinet.

It’s kind of like that, except the reason he’s asking for the locks is so you don’t discover the kegs of Jagermeister hidden in the closet.
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