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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Apple can effect data industrial complex, unlike the military industrial complex. Doing the opposite would be empty posturing.

Cook is only making this statement because it's in Apple's business interest to cripple ad-based competitors by convincing policy makers to hobble them with regulation. He's not a neutral observer.

A neutral observer would never pick sides, that's for sure.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Cook isn't arguing that companies should not be allowed to have access to data. He's arguing that there should be laws in place to prevent misuse and abuses of that data. There's nothing inherently wrong with agreeing to give a company access to your data. But it's absolutely wrong that once you've handed your data over, that company can do whatever it wants with it, with no restrictions, as if they own it.

How is Google abusing the data collected in your context? You gave your consent when you setup your android device, right? You want Google voice or Siri? They surely benefit from all your data.

In the same way you cannot just sign a contract that is against the law, a company shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want with your data, just because they made you click on an "Accept" button.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Seeing as Google pays Apple $12bn to be the default search engine on iOS devices I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here... http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-eng...

I'm curious what would apple use if google was not paying, or if google charged apple? This seems backwards to me.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Before you consider Apple as your next device provider, remember that they right now are completely shutting down third party repairs of their devices. Also Apple's own "repair method" is to tell you that it's broken, without so much as opening the case and just replacing any component that seems to act up, costing you up to the device's original price in repair fees.

What's this got to do with privacy?

Having to go to an Apple certified retailer prevents one from privately modifying or repairing ones device.

Apple gets to know about every repair / modification done to your device.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Personal information is extremely valuable. I don't understand why people are opposed to collecting and making use of it. Not doing so would be inefficient and foolish. While I believe that those who collect such data would make the world a better place if they freely distributed it, I don't think they should be forced to. I'm sure that whatever hypothetical problem that could result from such collection of data coul…

Edit: OP changed his comment, so my response is looking off-topic now Sure, please paste here your email and other accounts logins. Maybe you say you can't trust some random stranger on the internet but why would your trust companies, they have no morals, they want only to make money for themselves and on top of that they are incompetent and they can lose your data and random people on the internet will have it.

>Sure, please paste here your email and other accounts logins.

That is not privacy, it's security. Are you implying that Facebook and Google don't take security seriously?

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

Also my first response, 'is this just marketing?'. 'Buy apple products, we care about your data. We will help protect it. Encrypt it. Not share it. And block others form trying to get your data' But are Apple as benevolent as they say? Do you trust such a gigantic corporation? Are they colluding with governments instead of just advertisers?

Apple makes their money by selling expensive premium devices. They don't earn anything from selling your personal information or data about your usage patterns.

Google on the other hand, is an advertising company that also makes software and a smartphone OS among others.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I’d like to see better sand boxing of the Photo album on iOS. Facebook, LinkedIn and others are known to raid your photos if they have access to it. Ideally you could limit their ability to read and write to just a specific photo album. Or limit write and read separately. At the moment your ability to enable and disable the permission is based on what permission the app requests and they show up together.

iOS has long had an API for allowing access to individual photos from the system photo picker. Unfortunately many apps eschew this because they prefer having access to all of the user’s photos.

That shouldn't matter. The OS should let you create a fake photo collection which gets shown instead of the real one to apps you don't trust. This idea is obvious and very old. At least in the case of Android contact lists people have been asking for this for as long as I can remember. Why has it still not been implemented on iOS at least? Or has it now been implemented? I've been avoiding both Android and iOS because of stuff like this.

Does anyone want to sell me a phone that runs Debian with the option of running Android or iOS in a VM with appropriate management functions that would make it very hard for an app to misbehave?

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

Last response: Everything is fine just listen to the sweet words of Vienna Teng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ttTf8N7Bwg

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

Before you consider Apple as your next device provider, remember that they right now are completely shutting down third party repairs of their devices. Also Apple's own "repair method" is to tell you that it's broken, without so much as opening the case and just replacing any component that seems to act up, costing you up to the device's original price in repair fees.

Sure, but also keep in mind that Apple has literally no way of knowing what a third-party repair shop might do. Apple does not want to end up on the hook if a third party shop uses a fake exploding battery, the wrong adhesive (causing e.g. antenna issues, excess heat, or flaky phone), a fraudulent or fake part, etc. If that phone blows up/dies/erases everything afterwards, an irate customer or the media might well pin the blame on Apple.

I don't blame them for not wanting random third parties doing repairs.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to see better sand boxing of the Photo album on iOS. Facebook, LinkedIn and others are known to raid your photos if they have access to it. Ideally you could limit their ability to read and write to just a specific photo album. Or limit write and read separately. At the moment your ability to enable and disable the permission is based on what permission the app requests and they show up together.

iOS has long had an API for allowing access to individual photos from the system photo picker. Unfortunately many apps eschew this because they prefer having access to all of the user’s photos.

Ideally, the user would be able to force any app that asks for photo access to use the photo picker. Otherwise app developers are gonna ask for full access, because they can.
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