Heart breaking. Congratulations to the BBC for this amazing analysis. But real justice would require telling the story of how these women came to be murdered. This region in Cameroon is a flash point for a regional fight against a Muslim fundamentalist / warlord group called Boko Haram (translates as “western education is a sin”). How and why did these four civilians come to be murdered as a part of this tragic conflict in one of the poorest parts of the world?
Anatomy of a Killing
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#112It all comes back to the original tip from a "Cameroonian source." Without that, they wouldn't have only had a ridgeline somewhere in (probably) Cameroon.
That's a good point.
Makes me wonder if that 2D mountain range projection could be used to 'search' through a 3D map for a match.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know what gives me the creeps? People who watch that video and read those facts and choose to focus on the tone of the closing tweet.
Why? It's worth pointing out. Just because some topic is emotionally heavy, doesn't mean other aspects of it can't or shouldn't be pointed out. It bothers me when someone may make a noteworthy point, and then someone else tries to make some inference on how they feel in general by compliment of what they didn't reference.
It bothers me because of a widespread and damaging tendency to focus on second order ethical issues rather than the main point. Instead of talking about what actually happened, people talk about how what happened is presented or the precise words that are chosen, how the same thing happened elsewhere in a way that attempts to make the speaker appear a hypocrite, or the identity of the person who presented it.
This happens all the time in the media and politics, and often involves deliberately uncharitable interpretations of what was said.
https://unherd.com/2018/09/insincere-politicians-cheapening-...
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
The french population doesn't like the English population. The English part is a minority and feel like a 2nd class citizen in their own country. A lot of them are being killed, you can google these answers. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-44459488/cameroon-c...
This is seriously about what language they speak?
Does that really surprise you?
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#115Heart breaking. Congratulations to the BBC for this amazing analysis. But real justice would require telling the story of how these women came to be murdered. This region in Cameroon is a flash point for a regional fight against a Muslim fundamentalist / warlord group called Boko Haram (translates as “western education is a sin”). How and why did these four civilians come to be murdered as a part of this tragic confl…
For the motive, you'd probably have to ask the murderers. But there's a long tragic history of opportunistic cruelty against women and children (and indeed men, though that's clouded with arguments about combatant status) in warzones.
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#116This is one example of routine acts committed by Cameroon’s military especially in the English-speaking regions. No reaction from international community. Instead, the west is asking Cameroon to investigate. They’re basically asking Cameroon govt to cover up its atrocities. Video clearly shows Cameroon military shooting at mother with children. Same as hundreds of other incidents. What’s there to investigate? Condemn…
Cameroon has not ratified the treaty joining it to the international criminal court. This puts it along with a very small number of other states where there isn't an international legal process for dealing with this kind of crime.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "No presumption of innocence was extended to the children who died with them." So, would it be better if they held a trial and then killed them? Does anyone believe that their innocence or otherwise has anything to do with them being killed? Are there circumstances that make you think that the killing of children is OK? It's at least a non-sequitur, possibly self-aggrandising yellow journalism and at worst it could…
You know what gives me the creeps? People who watch that video and read those facts and choose to focus on the tone of the closing tweet.
Killing children is horrific. It doesn't need to be repeated.
Using hackneyed phrases cheapens the reaction.
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#118A brilliant piece of work to place the location. On the other hand, this seems to be...below...the BBC: " The government statement makes clear that all these men enjoy the presumption of innocence, and that they will be given a fair trial. " " The two women killed outside Zelevet received no trial at all. " No presumption of innocence was extended to the children who died with them. "
You won't make such statements if you saw the complete video. To kill unarmed women and children? Sheesh, what would you have written in place of those?
If it's done with airstrikes, then this is tragically routine.
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#119I can't imagine this kind of analysis carrying much weight in 3-5 years as advances in machine learning and image manipulation turn the notion of "seeing is believing" on its head. edit: Imagine running this process in reverse. Pick the culprit, time, and location. Then arrange the scene to exactly match the false accusation. Probably didn't happen here, but in a few years it won't be possible to know the difference.
I keep meaning to write up a longer form version of this idea that I've been kicking around to solve this. This issue is often talked about as an unsolvable problem, but I feel like we already have the technology to deal with it. Lots of devices, such as an iPhone already have a secure enclave that can be used for identity. Why not use this to sign videos and images for authentication purposes? Then certain devices c…
I think it remains unsolvable: you cannot plug the analog hole.
Hardware device can be as secure as you like, but you can record your fake output to sign it and it suddenly becomes very genuine, I don't think it bumps the cost sufficiently.
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#120A brilliant piece of work to place the location. On the other hand, this seems to be...below...the BBC: " The government statement makes clear that all these men enjoy the presumption of innocence, and that they will be given a fair trial. " " The two women killed outside Zelevet received no trial at all. " No presumption of innocence was extended to the children who died with them. "
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