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YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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I’ve always been fascinated by these, but never had a justifiable reason to get one. The only use I could think of was protecting my LastPass account, but I figured my main risk there is their security getting breached, which Yubico wouldn’t help with.

I just wrote a blog post about "Why FIDO2": [1]. Would love to hear if the messages resonate with you.

[1] https://medium.com/@0x0ece/why-choosing-a-fido2-security-key...

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's smart to buy two at the same time. While you can't copy a Yubikey, you can choose how to initialize them and you can initialize both identical to one another and then lock them down. That way they're copies of one another and fully backed up. I keep my main one on me at all times and have my backup in a safe place.

Do you have a link to the docs that shows this? From what I can find on their site [1] it only supports a few of the protocols: -Static Password -HMAC-SHA1 Challenge-Response -OATH-TOTP (Yubico Authenticator) [1] https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/150000...

It works very well for TOTP, just initialize all the keys at the same time. You can also print the qr code on paper as an additional layer of backup which makes it easier to add a new key if you destroy yours. Obviously if it was lost, you’d want to invalidate that and reset it up, but if run over by a truck and you’re holding the pieces, it’s easier than setting up all of them again.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

#113

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I have one of the old blue U2F tokens (~20 EUR), and pretty much only used it for GMail so far. That alone is worth it to me because many other passwords can be reset by someone that gains control over my email account. I personally find the token much more convenient than a TOTP code via app on my smartphone. And the U2F/FIDO part is very interesting as it eliminates phishing as a risk. I ordered a Yubikey 5 NFC jus…

well code which U2f token generate with the help of Google authenticator has ONLY 6 digits. 6 digits that's not extremely hard to brute force is that right ? If you are using additional backup u2f token (2 tokens in total) hacker has chance 1:500 000 to find out correct PIN is my assumption right ?

You seem confused. I think you're describing TOTP, but this whole thread is about FIDO.

WebAuthn, U2F and similar FIDO based schemes are sending some public key signed blobs over the network. A PIN is purely a local protection, it's not sent over the wire. So a hacker can't just try guessing the PIN. First they need to steal your physical token, only then could they start guessing PINs for the stolen token.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

#115

I’ve always been fascinated by these, but never had a justifiable reason to get one. The only use I could think of was protecting my LastPass account, but I figured my main risk there is their security getting breached, which Yubico wouldn’t help with.

I have one of the old blue U2F tokens (~20 EUR), and pretty much only used it for GMail so far. That alone is worth it to me because many other passwords can be reset by someone that gains control over my email account. I personally find the token much more convenient than a TOTP code via app on my smartphone. And the U2F/FIDO part is very interesting as it eliminates phishing as a risk. I ordered a Yubikey 5 NFC jus…

There are Password Store app for Android (by Zeapo). It can be interfaced with OpenKeychain in order to use NFC key. So I think you will be able to achieve full-featured OpenPGP encryption for your passwords using external hardware key.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #99

I'm a LastPass user using Yubikey nanos for both my work and home PCs. But I would like to purchase a Windows 2-in-1 that only has a single USB-C port used for charging and thus a nano wouldn't really work out well. Since Yubikeys, including these latest 5 series, do not support bluetooth, most Windows laptops don't support NFC, and LastPass does not support FIDO/U2F (so Google's Titan bluetooth won't work), is my on…

LastPass Enterprise supports Duo, which then allows you to use FIDO/UTF there if you enable in the DUO admin panel.

SMS as a 2FA method can't be disabled for Duo administrators. Sim takeover or GSM sniffing attacks can take over the whole account. Mentioned this to their support many times. They don't care.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

#117

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The problem is that if poor solutions as far as usability are present, you'll have the telecos win. This is a race against Mobile Authentication Taskforce and their fundamentally insecure accounts. If the solution can't beat them, it'll get trampled. Those other "unsafe actors" are trying to completely take over authentication, meanwhile you need 2 $50 hardware security keys at a minimum to safely use this tech. This…

You don't need $50 products. You especially don't need two of them. Yubico already make a Security Key that isn't also a PGP key store, a TOTP authenticator, bagel toaster and whatever else for about $20. And there are cheaper vendors if price is the main concern.

Why do you say you don’t need two?

The argument seems pretty straightforward: if you don’t trust SMS, you need to disable all backup authentication. If you’ve disabled backup, you surely don’t your physical device to be a single point of failure?

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #57

I think the YK5's biggest problem is that the YK Neo and 4, which have been out for years, were already so good. Unless you really care about NFC at the same time as RSA-4096, I'm not sure I see a big impetus to upgrade. Hopefully the USB-C line won't be plagued with supply issues. WebAuthn is mostly boring and I think that's mostly a good thing. I'm glad that there's a way to evolve the spec. Some of the changes are…

> the YK Neo and 4, which have been out for years, were already so good

I agree that the keys themselves are good; I just wish that configuring Linux systems to take advantage of them would be easier. I've been working on setting my systems up in bits of my free time for more than a month now. I'm in my last stretch, but I have to do some weird things. Maybe I'm just trying to squeeze more out of the key than most would.

For example, when I'm in my laptop and I ssh to my desktop and use sudo, I want it to use the key connected to the laptop to authenticate me. At the same time, if I walk over to the desktop and use sudo, I want it to seek the key in the desktop. Same if I use gpg or anything else that wants to use the key.

As part of this, to make use of the key as transparent to me as possible, I'm finding myself making a compiled executable to override gpg and gpgconf to unshare the mount namespace and bind mount a socket specified by environment variable over the default gpg-agent socket, because there seems to be no easier way to override the gpg-agent socket path via environment variable. gnupg seems to have no such environment variable, and while other utilities query the socket path via gpgconf, gpg itself seems to just know what it is... You know what... I'm starting to realize that's not going to work... Programs that query gpgconf would connect to the wrong agent. I gotta figure out how gpg knows the gpg-agent socket path... Since it doesn't call gpgconf, I wonder if it shares an .o file with it...

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #60

I have an iPhone and a Macbook. It's frustrating that I have to choose between USB-C support for the Macbook, and NFC support for the phone. It's odd that they don't make a USB-C version with NFC.

According to them, it's because "there isn't room on the USB-C devices for an NFC antenna": https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1044254654366769152

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The third is something you are - a fingerprint. A fingerprint isn't “something you are”, because it can be destroyed while you remain, and information about it can be captured and reproduced by attackers who are not you. It's just a particularly hard to lose (but easy to discover, and impractical to replace if compromised, at least more times than you have fingers) “something you have.” In security factor terms, I'…

DNA is something you are.

Maybe? Although not yet practical, in theory it too can be captured and reproduced.
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