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Nevermind that we are already in a world where you can play any song you like from the wireless computer you carry in your pocket. That's not convenient enough. /s

What do I need a car for? I've already got a horse.

Is that really a fair comparison?

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I received one of these messages just a week ago. Alexa sent me a message of my friend and his girlfriend having a private conversation. I immediately texted him to ask if he intended to do that and he did not- so weird.

Can you explain a bit more. What was the context of the message? was it an email? What was the subject line and the text? Was the audio an attachment or a link? A link to where...? "Amazon sent me a message" is so frustratingly vague...

You're able to send voice messages to other people that have an Alexa. Basically like voicemail.

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People are volunteerelly paying for their houses to be tapped for the convenience of being able to shout: play me some song. I’m so out of touch with this world it’s scary.

It's a little more than just that. Every light in my house is controlled with Alexa which is a very nice and hard to explain until you have tried it. Also my home theater system is all controllable via Alexa as well. This kind of thinking makes no sense to me. > People are voluntarily paying for their houses to be tapped for the convenience of being able to shout: play me some song. > I’m so out of touch with this wo…

Nobody is going to disagree that it's useful and hard to live without. That's why the big 3 or so tech companies know you'll sell your soul to have it. And yes,I and you should disable location services on your phone when not needed.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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I like the idea, but wonder if the same features are possible on a stand alone tool. For example, the device does the NLP there on the premise. It exposes a plugin API for apps. The app gets the text translation by registering a callback URI. Then it can do want ever it wants with that. Expose a streaming receiver api for music. Essential get rid of the middle man service. Is this possible of a Pi?

Possible? Yes. On a Pi? .. Maybe? Probably not with current power I'd guess. Allot goes into the voice training and equivalent operations. There are a few OSS alternatives to build something similar; I don't think anything has a similar power yet though.

There’s a Mozilla project for everything https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/02/how-to-build-your-own-priv... (voice is experimental and I don’t know if it’s on device)

Looks cool, but I haven’t tried. I’m the kind of person that gets up and walks to the light switch.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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> The device did not audibly advise that it was preparing to send the recording, something it’s programmed to do. Apparently it's not programmed to do that. Unless this was a hardware glitch or cosmic-ray event.

As developers, we use 'programmed' in that manner all the time, to mean what we were trying to get it to do rather than what it actually does.

I don't. And in this particular scenario, it's an important distinction to make because there's a risk of Amazon using equivocation to deflect responsibility.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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People who use these "microphones" are idiots. They are right on up there with the people that give away their DNA to web companies.

I’m one of those “idiots.” Can you explain how it’s any worse than carrying a cell phone?

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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This devices should by law always have a big LED on when recording, you would have the option to set it's brightness though. Also why could it send data out without any confirmation from the user.

> This devices should by law always have a big LED on when recording And the LED should be forbidden by law from being software-controlled. They should also have a physical inline toggle switch to disconnect the microphone(s) entirely, whose state is easy to visually confirm.

We dont need laws for these things. If a consumer installs an internet connected microphone in their home, they should expect this.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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post #73

I received one of these messages just a week ago. Alexa sent me a message of my friend and his girlfriend having a private conversation. I immediately texted him to ask if he intended to do that and he did not- so weird.

Can you explain a bit more. What was the context of the message? was it an email? What was the subject line and the text? Was the audio an attachment or a link? A link to where...? "Amazon sent me a message" is so frustratingly vague...

Supposing that you're not tasked with resolving this problem for Amazon, why would those details matter?

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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It's a little more than just that. Every light in my house is controlled with Alexa which is a very nice and hard to explain until you have tried it. Also my home theater system is all controllable via Alexa as well. This kind of thinking makes no sense to me. > People are voluntarily paying for their houses to be tapped for the convenience of being able to shout: play me some song. > I’m so out of touch with this wo…

Not having to use light switches or a remote does not seem comparable to mobile internet connectivity.

If I'm home and don't have my phone (or have my hands full, or it's dark, or whatever) I can easily turn lights on or off and without fumbling around for switches or trying to juggle a cat or a child.

I can also control my tv, thermostat, get a news briefing, check my calendar and set reminders.

Yes, it's ultimately a convenience, but so is indoor plumbing and store bought bread.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

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I never thought that voice control would be that useful until I had my daughter... being able to turn on the white noise, turn off the tv, play her music, etc while having my hands full of toddler is very useful.

How did we do it before? I can't even imagine. /s

He said that it is useful and makes his life easier. He did not said that whole family would die without it.
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