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Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by lsc »

delbel wrote: post #95
jseliger wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is interesting but I downvoted it for one reason: "Citation(s) needed."

if you were a professional or academic scholar requesting the citation, I feel that you would be entitled to that information. But to many people who aren't abuse this as some kind of sociopathic way of bullying people with contrarian information by downvoting, and I'm sick of it. It was a nice way to spark up a conversation a while ago but now its a toxic tool of sociopaths

Huh. I thought it was a nice way of saying "I don't believe you. But I would accept credible evidence."

If not believing strangers on the internet who say strange things makes me a sociopath....

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by frankzinger »

reaperducer wrote: post #107
oliwarner wrote: post #52

HN health posts tend to get posted without context and you'll get a pile of people [inadvertantly, I'm sure] pushing their supplement regime as a way to stave off clinical depression et al. This paper is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels. You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable…

>You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable to suggest that these people with psychiatric issues and low VitD are likely to be shut-ins. As a point of interest, when I lived in an American southwest desert city, vitamin D deficiency was rampant. When doctors took new patients, the first thing they did was write a script for vitamin D, which the pharmacies were constantly out of,…

> The widespread D problem was because they spend so much time inside, and the buildings were designed with few windows, or very small windows.

Apparently most windows block UVB which is what triggers vitamin D synthesis in your skin.

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by frankzinger »

conorh wrote: post #15

If you are going to supplement your vitamin D, just make sure to monitor your calcium too. My wife sees patients taking high doses of vitamin D, because their doctor puts them on it, or they do it themselves, and they do not realize that they are doing massive damage to their bodies because their low vitamin D levels are caused by a parathyroid tumor. http://www.parathyroid.com/low-vitamin-d.htm

For those who were wondering about the "massive damage" (taken from the posted link):

  * Hyperparathyroidism (which could be caused by a
    parathyroid tumor) causes dangerously high
    calcium levels [1]

  * As a countermeasure, the body effectively
    lowers vitamin D (vitamin D facilitates
    calcium absorption)
An ignorant doctor may miss the high calcium levels, seeing only low vitamin D, and put you on vitamin D supplements, which will raise your calcium levels again, thus eliminating the body's defenses against hyperparathyroidism.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcaemia#Signs_and_sympt...

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by jononor »

delbel wrote: post #91
grok2 wrote: post #60

A little while back, there was this submission to hacker news that didn't get much traction/attention, but which was about a research study that seemed to suggest that Vitamin D deficiency was a symptom of an underlying problem and just supplementing with Vitamin D was not sufficient as a fix and that the underlying cause of the deficiency the study said could be inflammation related to bacterial infection. https://l…

I didn't know about this study or the post, but I have also brought this up before and downvoted to hell. Bacteria that can evade the immune system can eat up all your vitamin D and wreck havoc. The solution is to eat other beneficial bacteria that eat them or their food and balance things out. This bacteria is LAB pro-biotics you can find in the store. Along with that, eating fiber to feed the pro-biotics so they do…

Which GMO bacteria?

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by jimnotgym »

markroseman wrote: post #100
jimnotgym wrote: post #30

As these kind of stories are so popular on HN, I recently started curating a list at https://github.com/Jimnotgym/Hacking_Depression I hope it helps someone one day.

I think this is a nice start. I'd like to see you take it further. The problem I have with your list is that it treats depression as a black box, and the solution is to throw random things at it until something sticks. There are things that can be done to better identify underlying causes. For example, your list should touch on deficiencies in iron and B12. Your symptoms can also be a clue as to which neurotransmitte…

Thanks for the input. I can't disagree. It is a pretty recent project, and just a list of bookmarks at the moment. I would love more collaborators to help push it one way or another. More than happy to plug your book on there btw! If you have anything you would like to write or share please feel free.

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by grok2 »

jononor wrote: post #114
delbel wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know about this study or the post, but I have also brought this up before and downvoted to hell. Bacteria that can evade the immune system can eat up all your vitamin D and wreck havoc. The solution is to eat other beneficial bacteria that eat them or their food and balance things out. This bacteria is LAB pro-biotics you can find in the store. Along with that, eating fiber to feed the pro-biotics so they do…

Which GMO bacteria?

Apparently Bacillus Thuringiensis is used to genetically modify some kinds of plants/seeds like corn/potato/cotton etc, so the plants become naturally resistant to certain insects/worms. But these insects/worms are also now slowly getting resistant to the bacteria (evolution). It doesn't seem like there is genetically modified bacteria itself that is used as pesticide....

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by richardw »

oliwarner wrote: post #52

HN health posts tend to get posted without context and you'll get a pile of people [inadvertantly, I'm sure] pushing their supplement regime as a way to stave off clinical depression et al. This paper is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels. You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable…

Might be causal during pregnancy. There's a chance it's simply an expression of genetics as parents might be shut-ins but this sounds legit to my latching tendencies:

"Vitamin D is necessary for cell growth and communication in all organs in the body, so it’s no surprise that a lack of vitamin D has an affect on the developing brain"

https://qbi.uq.edu.au/article/2013/08/low-prenatal-vitamin-d...

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by triangleman »

jimnotgym wrote: post #69
triangleman wrote: post #66

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No one suggested 5-HTP when you were compiling your list? It's an extremely potent precursor to serotonin (typically the thing you are trying to raise when you are hacking your way out of depression). NB do not take this supplement if you are already on an SSRI.

Nope, do you have any links?

Just this one: https://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Fift...

However that is just a book, and it doesn't even make a big deal out of 5-HTP in particular. I guess that's how I found out about it though. There are a number of supplements people take to tackle their own ailments including depression, and that is one of them.

There's a reddit community /r/nootropics which discusses mood-altering supplements a lot.

Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital

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Post by oliwarner »

ryanmerket wrote: post #99
oliwarner wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK you can easily get all your vitamin D from sunlight for 6 months of the year[0,1]. That said, more and more foods are being vitamin supplemented, or available in fortified versions, especially for children (eg milk, yoghurts). I doubt it'll become "standard" like thiamin and others in flour (in the UK at least) because you can overdose. [0] http://www.bad.org.uk/for-the-public/skin-cancer/vitamin-d (footnot…

I recently read this paper. It says there was a major mathematical error in the meta study used to dictate the Vitamin D standards for many countries: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28768407/

If you're going to cite anything, cite the original letter, which was featured in a relatively high impact journal: http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/6/10/4472

I've not had time to review it yet.

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