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Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Can? Sure. I've heard from plenty of people that feel that way. Just to give an alternate perspective, I'm not sure doing 'shrooms at 16 made me a better person. It definitely altered my perception of what is real, but it wasn't a useful improvement. Mostly it just made me more prone to having panic attacks. I think I could be a better person today if I had never gone through that door, at least at that point in my l…

The idea of taking psychedelics at 16 terrifies me. I believe pretty strongly that psychedelics are best once you've already tried pretty hard at the classical life script. Only then will you be able to see it's actual weaknesses and it's actual strengths.

I would not advise anyone much below 25 to take em, and I was very grateful I was scared into not taking them until my early-mid twenties.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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This is a very interesting take on opium. Are there sources on long-term use with regulated dosage you can point to? Doesn’t the tolerance increase with regular use? Or is this managed by takin brakes on a regular basis? In which case what about withdrawal?

Re: Sources: Opium and its derivatives certainly are the most demonized substances, in the most drug-ophobic time in history. There was a very extended study done by Britain in India. It was quite extensive, and their TLDR: No worse than alcohol RE: Tolerance: The tolerance is very much dose-related. So if someone took large doses for just a week, they would suffer more withdrawal than someone who took small doses da…

Thank you so much for this. I’m in no way interested in the popular prohibition-powered narratives and your account is very useful as it is rare and authentic.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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That's not an explanation. Why is coffee so bad? I can find a ton of papers on the positive effects of coffee. Only very few on possible negative effects, they primarily focus on cafestol and kahweol as bad for cholesterol, but only when the coffee isn't made with paper filters, which trap those oils.

The book to read is entitled "Caffeine blues" - which you will not need to read completely to be cured of coffee forever. Finding tons of papers stating something or another about one of the most lucrative 'non-banned' drug in the world in the period of greatest drug illiteracy to information ratio is no great feat, my friend. Certainly, one can find tons of papers on the web on the merits of perpetual motion machine…

You're making very lofty claims, based on a single pseudoscientific, for profit book, written by someone with very questionable credentials. Have his claims been peer reviewed?

Can you give me a summary? I'm not going to waste money on a book full of unsubstantiated claims that are based on no actual research. It has all the hallmarks of bullshit conspiracy nonsense.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very interesting take on opium. Are there sources on long-term use with regulated dosage you can point to? Doesn’t the tolerance increase with regular use? Or is this managed by takin brakes on a regular basis? In which case what about withdrawal?

Re: Sources: Opium and its derivatives certainly are the most demonized substances, in the most drug-ophobic time in history. There was a very extended study done by Britain in India. It was quite extensive, and their TLDR: No worse than alcohol RE: Tolerance: The tolerance is very much dose-related. So if someone took large doses for just a week, they would suffer more withdrawal than someone who took small doses da…

I re-read your entry and your comment about nirvana reminded me of something g which you may find useful.

I encountered “nirvana” == “absence of suffering” concept presented in a different way, and not as the absence of discomfort or pain.

It was about ending the belief in the “false sense of authorship” — the sense that we are authoring our actions somehow independently of internal and external factors, a sense that takes credit for the actions and then presents the possibility that they could’ve been different, better etc. this illusion of separation was presented as the cause of suffering.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtQXxJU6NY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j95Xz_3IJWw

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Because drug culture isn't about buying things you don't need with money you don't have to distract yourself from the now so you wouldn't feel existential dread or have to face your runaway thoughts. Psychedelics take you to the NOW and almost force you to deal with YOUR shit. It's impossible to try to convey what it is like to someone who hasn't taken them. You just won't know what you're missing or how it is until…

If that is the definition of consumerist, I'm not one in any way. I'm in my 40's, retired and living abroad in a small apartment. I have no car, and live well within my means. I've met a lot of people who have done a lot of drugs, including, but not limited to psychedelics, including close family members who I knew well and could watch their descent. The ones I know are depressed, some have suicided, others are in hu…

I think I meant to write a couple lines at first but the text just kept increasing and then I went into notepad to really put a spin on it. Oops.

I can't say for the whole psychedelic using population what their motivations are but as far as I can tell there is a clear distinction between users who are doing spiritual practices or trying to find meaning in their lives and so on versus slamming the heroin needle or hitting the crack pipe to get the craziest dopamine rushes you have ever experienced. Not to mention the latest meme to hit the mainstream, the microdosers, who use it as performance enhancer.

Psychedelics as a broad group of chemicals all with similar action in the brain and body contribute to thinking patterns and removing filters on your consciousness. Some people find after one or more trips that they've uncovered something that gave them a new lease on life or something. Some junkies who 'take anything they can get' even avoid psychedelics because it puts into focus the state they are in. They don't want to face that for whatever reason. Maybe that's why they are there in the first place.

One meme in the psychedelic culture goes "when you get the message hang up the phone". You don't need all the pleasures in the world. You certainly don't need to get those huge dopamine rushes daily and you don't need to or likely want to keep constantly tripping in search of the craziest visions and highest peaks, especially if you don't take the hint and start working on bettering your 'sober' self.

Of course there is a whole scale of motivations in between and it's reasonable to except people can function in society despite occasionally using catalysts to trigger pleasurable experiences, as long as their whole existence does not become only that at the expense of maintenance. There is some science on that when your other needs are covered and you're doing pretty well you don't end up in a downward spiral like that and won't get addicted or at least not in the same proportion as when you're trying to fill a void with external catalyst induced neurotransmitter rushes.

I'm not the one to overtly preach or advertise indiscriminant psychedelics use because they can reveal or really put into focus all the bad shit you've been avoiding or traumas you have pushed deep down that you kinda forgot they existed or never dealt with. If you're unprepared or already on the edge bad trips might push you past it and you may end up with something that seems like permanent mental problems. Instead of increased clarity and awareness you may end up at least temporarily in the shitter, and if you have no coping mechanisms you could be fucked.

In my experience I think they contributed to giving me an ability to 'see beyond' the every day reality and from that the motivation to really pay attention to and hone the way I live and act towards myself and others. It's as if for a long time I was a hostage to the depression in this body and couldn't take the steps to fixing the situation back when it was less dire. I used to hit the bong every day all day and slowly cause ruin to my body in many other ways. I became more aware of what I was doing wrong and where my anxiety was coming from.

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