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Asking them to apply an EU law globally is posturing as well. Both the question and answer are nonsensical.
Interesting though as they are selling to the rest of the world from Ireland in the first place to tax dodge.
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The European governments are bound by GDPR in the same way companies are. Surely bringing a GDPR-like law to the US would be a good thing?
Data collection for security and intelligence purposes by governments is exempt from GDPR rules, I think.
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That is a somewhat valid concern, but here in Denmark (EU) GDPR har actually been helpful to highlight some of the data collection by the state, and some of it, has been set on standby or at least been postponed because of concerns (student mental health/well beeing, was so to be registered, and stored on a SSN level “for research”)
Got any articles on that? I wonder what local agencies I could fuck with in my country thanks to GDPR :)
They are changing their terms of agreement to now say that people outside of the US are doing business with the US company. This means that only people in the EU will be covered by the GDPR. Probably that's what they should have been doing all along, but there were probably massive tax advantages to running their international company in Ireland.
For what it's worth, I'm a huge proponent of GDPR and I would probably do the same thing -- at least initially. They have a lot of users and GDPR is really tricky to implement when dealing with any manual processes. Limiting your exposure is common sense.
I'm looking forward to seeing what actually happens to Facebook when GDPR comes into force. You know people are going to exercise their rights and I just can't imagine they are prepared. As I've been going through this stuff in my job I can't see any easy ways to sweep this under the carpet -- you not only need to inform the user about what's going on, you actually need to record the lawful basis that you've told them you are using. If you just say, "Oh I have consent" then the user can withdraw consent. If you actually needed that information (like the user's name!) then you are absolutely screwed.
I fully expect some thoughtful users to nail them to the wall. And when that happens, I expect them to implement everything world wide because it will be a lot easier/cheaper than maintaining different processes all over the place.
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You are assuming GDPR is good. I don’t think so. I don’t want GDRP in the US. The worst abuser of privacy - right now - is the government. I don’t think putting redtapes on startups will solve anything.
> The worst abuser of privacy - right now - is the government Lol, that could not be further from the truth, you have no idea of the amount of data private companies gather, the government has nowhere near as much data as Facebook, that's why the NSA has programs to incorporate Facebook data, the reason being that it's much better than anything they have got by themselves.
Also, the headline is misleading: it makes it sound like FB is trying to get around laws. Really, all it’s doing is applying laws in the required jurisdictions, which is how things always work. Where’s the controversy?
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> The worst abuser of privacy - right now - is the government Lol, that could not be further from the truth, you have no idea of the amount of data private companies gather, the government has nowhere near as much data as Facebook, that's why the NSA has programs to incorporate Facebook data, the reason being that it's much better than anything they have got by themselves.
If the government has facebook data plus any other single piece of data then they have more than facebook.
There's no government program which records your position in real time, your interests, all the messages sent to your friends, the list of your friends, their occupation and where they are in real time, the news you read, all the information you are looking for... All of that in real time with an accuracy similar to Facebook (and aggregated as well, people often forget that most government files are not as neatly organised as Facebook...) . I could go on forever on the data Facebook has, no government program gathered as much as this, it's not even close. Not even the Soviet Union managed to get that much data on their citizens.
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See Article 3, "Territorial Scope", here [1]. It's fairly clearly written. [1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/
What is funny about this is that in order to make the nontrivial determination that a subject is in the Union Facebook has to use all available personal data they possess about the individual such as IP history (consider the possibility of a European using an American VPN which still makes them European), geolocation history, etc... But upon establishing that they are in the Union the data they used to determine they…
Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…
All major tech companies are going to make the GDPR tools available globally for fear of accidentally misidentifying someone as not covered by the GDPR. Facebook will not be an exception regardless of what they are saying now.
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The European governments are bound by GDPR in the same way companies are. Surely bringing a GDPR-like law to the US would be a good thing?
Data collection for security and intelligence purposes by governments is exempt from GDPR rules, I think.