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Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by purple-again » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:05 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #105

conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist. How can you be labeled sexist if you point out a simple fact?

You must be new to the internet. Hacker News has strong moderation so its one of the best asshole corner of the internet, but make no mistake, you are still in an asshole corner of the internet where you conform or are silenced.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:06 PM UTC

dcpl wrote: post #34

Just out of curiosity, why do so many people want to learn Go despite it not being used that much, 7.1% from the survey?

Maybe because it is a Google language, if it was done at company XYZ no one would care.

Also because anyone jumping into the Docker/Kubernetes train eventually has to deal with Go.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:07 PM UTC

cup-of-tea wrote: post #32

I wonder how many are "web developers". They seem to have broken down that category into three or four possibly overlapping subsets. "Front-end developer" and "back-end developer" should be mutually exclusive because people in the intersection would be "full-stack developers". But if that were the case then more than 95% are web developers.

Yeah, they did not even considered native development.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by megaman22 » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:08 PM UTC

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #98

I'm surprised Vue doesn't show up on the list anywhere. From everything I've seen Vue should probably show up in either the loved or wanted categories.

I'm not sure anybody outside of HN readership knows about Vue at all. It's either Angular, old Angular, or React everywhere.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by atom-morgan » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:08 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #105

conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist. How can you be labeled sexist if you point out a simple fact?

Ask Damore.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by tudelo » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:10 PM UTC

shaki-dora wrote: post #84

conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

Nice bit of victim blaming... “If you want to be paid the same as a man, maybe you should not have made ‘not being groped’ [aka company culture] your top priority!”

Is it though? Seems as though OP was just pointing out something interesting from the data. He was not making an argument for or against being labeled sexist. What is your solution to the pay gap between women and women, women and men, and men and men (specifically women and men though)?

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by purple-again » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:11 PM UTC

cup-of-tea wrote: post #47

jedberg wrote: post #5

With all the talk of Vim vs. Emacs, it surprises me that Emacs is in the low single digits, while Vim is 25% of all respondents. It does not surprise me that it is 40% (and #1) amongst sysadmin/devops practitioners.

That's because vim and emacs have different purposes and the choices were not exclusive. I use emacs and even I know enough vim to get around and use it regularly. 25% of people claim to use vim, but for what? Occasional editing of individual files? In contrast, those emacs users almost certainly use emacs for everything .

This exactly, the guy next to me said yes to Vim (and makes sure to talk shit to me literally every single time I open nano) but he literally used Atom all day long and only uses Vim when editing a file stored on a remote server.

I don't care how you feel about nano, I use it less than .0000000000001% of my development time and it serves its purpose just fine.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by megaman22 » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:13 PM UTC

suprfnk wrote: post #93

arvinsim wrote: post #60

Whhy is the salary for F# developers high?

On that note: Anyone know of any good F# learning resources (preferably books/text) for an experienced C# developer who has only done a little bit of functional programming (Haskell, Clojure) here and there?

Get Programming with F# is finally done, and looks pretty good

https://www.manning.com/books/get-programming-with-f-sharp

Real-World Functional Programming With examples in F# and C# is another good one

https://www.manning.com/books/real-world-functional-programm...

The NoStarch Book of F# is a pretty decent beginner's book

https://nostarch.com/fsharp

Would second the vote for F# Deep Dives as well.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:13 PM UTC

Nice to see C++ on the loved languages section, while C only deserved an entry on the dreaded ones above C++ and has half of the wanted percentage.

Re: Developer Survey Results

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Post by SiempreViernes » Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #104

shaki-dora wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice bit of victim blaming... “If you want to be paid the same as a man, maybe you should not have made ‘not being groped’ [aka company culture] your top priority!”

It's not clear to me that these are the same at all - if (emphasis) it is true that women do not value pay as much as men, and for this reason they apply for roles which lead them to be payed less - who exactly is the victim here? Are we not trusting women to know what jobs will make them happiest?

It is clear from their own accounts that many women face discrimination at their workplace, and that being subject to it brings significant costs.

Unless you want to argue that women should knowingly accept positions where they will be discriminated against, the effect of sexism is that the viable job pool for women is smaller for reasons outside their control.