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Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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Are those appearances private?

I mean, I'm in EO and our chapter spends about $150k/year on appearances from popular speakers. We're not buying influence or lobbying, and they're private appearances, yes. They're on a variety of topics from a variety of people that the organization thinks we'll find valuable, and the market has set a pretty steep price for some of the better speakers. /shrug

What is EO?

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I mean, I'm in EO and our chapter spends about $150k/year on appearances from popular speakers. We're not buying influence or lobbying, and they're private appearances, yes. They're on a variety of topics from a variety of people that the organization thinks we'll find valuable, and the market has set a pretty steep price for some of the better speakers. /shrug

What is EO?

Entrepreneurs' Organization (https://www.eonetwork.org/).

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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> they are responsible for the death of others Are they? Those others knowingly and voluntarily took those drugs.

Addiction is not voluntary.

Sorry... but you're wrong. There are NA, AA, CA, CMA, HA and every other support group with an "A" you can think of that will help you in every step of the way, all you have to do is ask. If you want to get clean, you can and will get clean. Will it be a struggle? Sure it will, it will be the worst thing you will ever go through in your life, but you can and will get clean if you desperately want to. Yes... I went through it, and, yes it sucked, but I'm over 2 years, so, Yes, it can be done.

Bottom line is there are two people who I see who don't want to get clean: 1) the people that will never accept responsibility and want to blame everyone else for their problems. 2) the people who really don't have a desire or want to get clean. At least the second group is being honest with themselves and everyone else.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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That just means we should treat low level criminals humanely. Four years is plenty. The thing where decade plus sentences are fairly common is unique in the first world: only in America. It’s barbaric and embarrassing. The science is pretty unambiguous—a high likelihood of being caught and punished is a better deterrent than a low-probability but larger punishment. So I don’t want to see this doctor get a 40-year sen…

Street dealers, "low level" or not, do actually kill their clients. Prison sentences for dealing hard drugs should be in line with prison sentences for murder, otherwise the implication is that the lives of drug users are much less valuable than the lives of regular people.

Chances are you won't die unless you overdose on the opioids and stop breathing with nobody there to assist you.

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Don't worry, we've so over-corrected this thing as a society due to our knee-jerk emotional reactions and mob mentality, you won't be getting any opioids prescribed. Fourth stage cancer patients are now having a hard time getting them. Chronic pain patients that have been stable for decades are being heartlessly dropped by doctors that now fear the DEA. We are turning our backs as a society on the most vulnerable amo…

Oy! What I really want is all drugs to be legal and people being properly educated about them. Starting in school.

>people being properly educated about them

As if the US government agencies would ever let that happen. They seem to favor a "shock 'em straight" approach that's utterly ineffective.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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The question is whether he would support it, not whether he would enact it by decree.

Yes, exactly. And I think we already know that the answer is no, he wouldn't support it. Trump has a very childish perception of the world, and a doctor undoubtedly does not fit his mental image of the drug dealer stereotype.

It's almost like politicians manage their perception and image in strategic ways where they lull their enemies into being emotionally caught up with minor character flaws rather than the tactics and orientation of their actions.

The smugness of people against Trump is even more worse than the smugness people had against George W.

They're not idiots. They're sharks who have a very clear aptitude at manipulating people and public perception. It's very bad strategy, and very human, to ascribe to your opponents victories as "luck" and to ascribe their mentality as "dumb".

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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Yes, exactly. And I think we already know that the answer is no, he wouldn't support it. Trump has a very childish perception of the world, and a doctor undoubtedly does not fit his mental image of the drug dealer stereotype.

It's almost like politicians manage their perception and image in strategic ways where they lull their enemies into being emotionally caught up with minor character flaws rather than the tactics and orientation of their actions. The smugness of people against Trump is even more worse than the smugness people had against George W. They're not idiots. They're sharks who have a very clear aptitude at manipulating people…

I agree with you when it comes to most politicians, but I’m pretty sure Trump is actually dumb. He’s the only person I’ve ever seen contradict himself three times in a single sentence. When he speaks, he almost never displays any indication that there’s any understanding of the subject at hand.

W had a superficial dumbness that was largely cultivated. Beneath that he had at least a basic understanding of the issues.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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This is absolutely correct and should not have been downvoted. It is the abuse of a position of trust that aggravates this crime relative to that of a simple outlaw street dealer. Commenters who are concerned with the effect on the convict's reputation and future employability are simply not in touch with reality....this was a grave breach of the basic ethics of the medical profession and seriously harmed the innocen…

Nobody is "concerned" about the convict's reputation and future employability. You are misreading people's statements and thus misunderstanding their points. Namely, that the justice system serves a greater purpose than simply making you and me feel better and causing harm to perpetrators. What point is there in discussing the so-obvious-it-goes-without-saying good-bad polarity of this situation? If we myopically giv…

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Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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This is absolutely correct and should not have been downvoted. It is the abuse of a position of trust that aggravates this crime relative to that of a simple outlaw street dealer. Commenters who are concerned with the effect on the convict's reputation and future employability are simply not in touch with reality....this was a grave breach of the basic ethics of the medical profession and seriously harmed the innocen…

Nobody is "concerned" about the convict's reputation and future employability. You are misreading people's statements and thus misunderstanding their points. Namely, that the justice system serves a greater purpose than simply making you and me feel better and causing harm to perpetrators. What point is there in discussing the so-obvious-it-goes-without-saying good-bad polarity of this situation? If we myopically giv…

You're missing the point because you don't understand the gravity of the crime.

A minimum wage fast food worker is constantly observed by a phalanx of cameras that will incriminate her should she attempt to steal five dollars from the till, but a surgeon in an operating room performs an infinitely more consequential task with nary a recording device in sight. Why? The immense trust and responsibility invested by society in medical doctors.

There is a common misconception that a medical license is basically just a reward for a demonstration of technical mastery, much as a developer job flows from passing a coding interview. But in reality the technical aspect is only secondary; the primary purpose of all those years of training is to ensure that the student understands the fullness of the obligations associated with the profession and is properly disposed to accept them.

In a case like this, the person understood and accepted those grave obligations, as well as all the privileges that came with them, only to toss them out the window when the opportunity arose to make a few extra dollars. That is what is being punished here. Four years is hardly too long, or cruelly retributive.

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