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Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Line cooks make a lot less than wait staff. So what you're saying is that it's actually men who are discriminated against!?

More men are ending up in line-cook positions that are on the career track to high paying chef positions, yet you think it's the men that are being shortchanged?

What fraction of line cooks become well-paid chefs?

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Line cooks make a lot less than wait staff. So what you're saying is that it's actually men who are discriminated against!?

More men are ending up in line-cook positions that are on the career track to high paying chef positions, yet you think it's the men that are being shortchanged?

If a person has with the same entry level education and experience but is forced to get lower pay and worse work environment, then that is discrimination regardless if it has higher potential to reach a high paying job several years later in life.

Discrimination is antithesis to liberty. The right for he or she to become what they seek out to be without the restrictions of gender roles. Young men should not be forced to do poor work for no pay in hopes to get a chance for high paying job later, and young women should not be forced to do nice and high paying jobs only to be blocked later in life for top positions.

If there is one gender discrimination that need to be destroyed it is the view society has on young poor men and old women, contrasted to the view of young attractive women and old rich men. The work market would look very different if people, both women and men, were not restricted to gender roles.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Yes, but that requires the person knowing that law, and being in a position where they feel they can report it without fear of retribution. Most people who fall victim to wage theft don't fall into those groups. In California, and Oregon, apparently, they are paid minimum wage from the start, and receive their tips on top of that, instead of being paid some "tipped alternative minimum wage" and then hoping that my em…

Every single resturant kitchen with a time clock I've ever been in in my entire life has some variation of the following poster: https://www.laborlawcc.com/uploads/image/california-los-ange... And it's always posted in English and Spanish -- including phone numbers of who to confidentially call to report violations. If people choose not to report violations -- that's really on them. We're generally talking about adul…

Yeah, no. If you're in the position where you're told, regardless of what's on the poster, that reporting means you're fired, then you are not in a position to do so.

This fake machismo around things like this, where the immense pressure and power that employers have over their employees is completely ignored, needs to go away.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

#114

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More men are ending up in line-cook positions that are on the career track to high paying chef positions, yet you think it's the men that are being shortchanged?

What fraction of line cooks become well-paid chefs?

I have no idea, but the previous commenter said that there are few women chefs because there are few woman line cooks, and most chefs are line cooks first.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #91

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I experienced nothing but exceptional service in Italy.

As an Italian, I'm happy that at least somebody did get great service :) To be fair, it really varies so much between regions and even towns. Restaurants are usually ok, but regular shops in big cities... eh.

I was just referring to my restaurant experiences, which ranged from fine to excellent.
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