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Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by codedokode »

trhway wrote: post #62
Asdfbla wrote: post #39

Seems plausible, though regardless of whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not, it seems prudent for any government in the world to avoid using software that potentially uploads confidential data to foreign servers. Governments anywhere would probably be ill-advised to use anti-virus software from countries like the US or Russia, unless they can be sure that cloud analysi…

>whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not no offense, it is just very entertaining(and educational) to observe how people from one culture try to apply their mental frameworks to completely different mentality. There is no "whether", "or not", "gag order" (in the sense as if explicit one was necessary) in the Russian reality in the context of private company cooperating w…

> In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation

Then they can insist on legal cooperation. I remember how Pavel Durov (founder of Telegram) wrote that US secret service agents were stalking him in US and tried to bribe one of his developers.

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by snowpanda »

nasredin wrote: post #66
qaq wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being naive. You can not operate a business the size of Kaspersky in Russia without being a part of the the inner circle.

If you want to do bussiness in Russia you will have to deal with organized crime and or the government which is very often the same people.

Ok so I know very little about Russia, where would one go to verify that claim? I'm not disputing it at all, just trying to inform myself.

One of the reasons I ask, is related to Telegram. I'm aware of the crypto argument. But it seems (from the outside, so could be a complete cover of course) that Pavel Durov is somewhat taking a stand against their government[1][2][3]. Is that simply because he has enough money to do so? Or is it just a show to give people the idea he's taking a stand?

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-telegram-security/...

[2] https://www.neowin.net/news/russian-government-fines-telegra...

[3] https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/10/30/russian-government-fin...

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by sctb »

X86BSD wrote: post #4
r3bl wrote: post #3

I have to ask: Is there any concrete evidence against Kaspersky doing anything remotely concerning since this whole charade against them started in 2015 or is it still "they're Russian, so they must be doing something bad" scenario? EDIT: Fuck if I understand why people like JohnStrange, revelation and ryanlol are downvoted in their replies to this comment. They're on topic.

It’s a witch hunt slash scapegoat. Just as is Russian “collusion” with trump. Absolutely zero evidence at all only unnamed sources and speculation. All the money wasted on this politics garbage sigh.

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Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by syockit »

55555 wrote: post #33
matt4077 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a security company run mostly by ex-KGB and dependent on the good will of an administration willing to very publicly murder their opponents[0], and not bound by anything resembling rule of law. So yes, it is possible, maybe even likely, that Kasperky is doing nothing shady and has only the best intentions. It's also somewhat irresponsible to entrust them with any data of value. Those two things are not mutually…

Perhaps I'm confused, but did you mean to add a footnote/citation ([0])?

[0] is just a short form for [citation needed]

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by pocketsquare2 »

rando444 wrote: post #25

Before this article was published I don't think it was alleged that Kaspersky ever did anything. All the public knew is that allegedly Israel hacked Kaspersky and noticed the Russian government using Kaspersky's tools to try and dig out secret documents. I mean who knows, maybe the Russian government had a backdoor that they were abusing, maybe they hacked Kaspersky themselves, or maybe they were just given access. I…

Is Eugene Kaspersky going the way of Julian Assange, or is he just another Deep State 33rd Degree Freemason casualty? Who knows.

Either way the flavor of the comments on this thread are really, really unusual for Hacker News and YCombinator in general.

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by qaq »

snowpanda wrote: post #112
nasredin wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to do bussiness in Russia you will have to deal with organized crime and or the government which is very often the same people.

Ok so I know very little about Russia, where would one go to verify that claim? I'm not disputing it at all, just trying to inform myself. One of the reasons I ask, is related to Telegram. I'm aware of the crypto argument. But it seems (from the outside, so could be a complete cover of course) that Pavel Durov is somewhat taking a stand against their government[1][2][3]. Is that simply because he has enough money to…

Right after he lost control of his company (FB clone) when he refused to shut down opposition related groups on it. He openly talked about pressure from FSB etc. Telegram is not run out of Russia and Durov does not live in Russia. So if you don't mind loosing all your russian assets and living in exile you sure can speak out :)

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by golergka »

codedokode wrote: post #108
golergka wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't buy the narrative that Kaspersky is some evil Russian cyber hoover I don't know about this particular story, but Kaspersky is certainly has strong ties with FSB, FSO and other official structures. I don't mean that it's their main business model — developing anti-virus software pays well enough not to be some cover story — but they're definitely _friendly_ on a deep personal level. Kaspersky himself was edu…

> Usually, in Moscow, there is a strong correlation between being a highly educated, well-paid IT professional and having a negative opinion about current Russian regime Do you have sources for this? Well-paid professional might not care about politics at all or might be OK with current regime because it doesn't interfere with their life. Furthermore, some of them might be even proud for occupying Crimea. But I can a…

My own experience, mostly. It doesn't include any government-owned enterprises or oil companies, of course — but in IT, the correlation is staggering. From all my peers, I hardly know a single IT professional with a salary over $60k (usually a team lead level or above) that wouldn't be in opposition to the current regime. Of course, about half of such people I knew a couple years back have already moved out of the country.

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by gozur88 »

orf wrote: post #53
gozur88 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Wasn't Benghazi investigated to death by the right for an absurdly long time? Why do you think nothing was found? Didn't all the people except Hillary (who lied to the committee) take the 5th? Do you think that might be a reason?

> Didn't all the people except Hillary (who lied to the committee) take the 5th? No. It's pretty simple: > Benghazi investigated for years > Longest congressional investigation in history > Multiple reports find nothing > Hillary is guilty she escaped justice!! Investigate Benghazi!! And at the same time: > Russian collusion investigated for 10 months > No published reports, investigation not concluded > several indi…

When someone says something like "Wake up" it's a pretty reliable indicator they're off in conspiracy theory land. The reason they didn't find anything is Hillary deleted thousands of relevant emails from a server she shouldn't have had and the only person who could call her out on the lying took the 5th.

Wake up indeed. Do you really believe what you write?

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by orf »

gozur88 wrote: post #118
orf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Didn't all the people except Hillary (who lied to the committee) take the 5th? No. It's pretty simple: > Benghazi investigated for years > Longest congressional investigation in history > Multiple reports find nothing > Hillary is guilty she escaped justice!! Investigate Benghazi!! And at the same time: > Russian collusion investigated for 10 months > No published reports, investigation not concluded > several indi…

When someone says something like "Wake up" it's a pretty reliable indicator they're off in conspiracy theory land. The reason they didn't find anything is Hillary deleted thousands of relevant emails from a server she shouldn't have had and the only person who could call her out on the lying took the 5th. Wake up indeed. Do you really believe what you write?

> When someone says something like "Wake up" it's a pretty reliable indicator they're off in conspiracy theory land.

I'm saying wake up to the real world. By the way, a statement like that has a lot more impact if you don't immediately follow it with a conspiracy theory.

> The reason they didn't find anything is....

So what you're saying is Mueller has found more solid evidence of improprieties between Russia and the Trump campaign in 10 months than 5 years of politically motivated witch hunting. I'm glad we agree on that, and I'm sure you're far more worried about the sitting President of the USA's Russia links than something so thoroughly investigated as Benghazi or debunked as 'that uranium thing', that even if they where real would be somewhat overshadowed.

Did you believe the Trump campaigns 'lock her up' slogan? Can you fathom why he didn't follow through on his campaign promise to launch a full investigation into her? Could it possibly, just possibly, be because there is nothing and he only banged that drum just to excite people like you?

Indeed, wake up.

Re: Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t help steal them

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Post by gozur88 »

orf wrote: post #119
gozur88 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone says something like "Wake up" it's a pretty reliable indicator they're off in conspiracy theory land. The reason they didn't find anything is Hillary deleted thousands of relevant emails from a server she shouldn't have had and the only person who could call her out on the lying took the 5th. Wake up indeed. Do you really believe what you write?

> When someone says something like "Wake up" it's a pretty reliable indicator they're off in conspiracy theory land. I'm saying wake up to the real world. By the way, a statement like that has a lot more impact if you don't immediately follow it with a conspiracy theory. > The reason they didn't find anything is.... So what you're saying is Mueller has found more solid evidence of improprieties between Russia and the…

>I'm saying wake up to the real world. By the way, a statement like that has a lot more impact if you don't immediately follow it with a conspiracy theory.

That's all on the record.

>So what you're saying is Mueller has found more solid evidence of improprieties between Russia and the Trump campaign in 10 months than 5 years of politically motivated witch hunting.

Has he? Exactly what has Mueller found?

By the way, let me suggest to you that if the justice department ever asks you for emails relating to an investigation you'll almost certainly end up going to jail if you delete a bunch of them and then claim you were just deleting private email.

I keep wondering if, as in the case of Bill Clinton, 25 years after it matters Democrats will be willing to admit that yes, Hillary broke the law.

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