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Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by beingmyself2 »

PatientTrades wrote: post #110
beingmyself2 wrote: post #107

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How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa? Are we brave enough to control for pre-Antebellum ancestry?

> How do these disadvantaged individuals compare with those who never left Africa? Not sure if you are aware but the large majority of brown and dark brown skinned (black) Americans are actually indigenous Aboriginal (Native Americans). Most "Blacks" in America can be directly traced back to natives who were already in America when Europeans arrived in the 1400s. Google dark skinned Indians you will see pictures of w…

So the slave ships were not a thing, they just enslaved the people already here? Do you have some sort of real source on these facts?

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Post by macrael »

KGIII wrote: post #69
macrael wrote: post #26

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And before that it was the thesis of the book The New Jim Crow. Arguing that the modern incarceration system came into being as a system of control to replace the Jim Crow laws that arose as a system of control to replace slavery. The most 'aha' connection there was that a shocking percentage of black men have felony convictions of some sort or another, and we deny felons the right to vote in most states. Jim Crow in…

> we deny felons the right to vote in most states. Only while incarcerated. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-v...

I'm curious what "automatic restoration" means. I recall from The New Jim Crow that the process is onerous in many states, involving paperwork and bureaucracy that many don't end up taking the time to do. But maybe that's just in the nine non-automatic states.

Ah, and in the paragraph underneath that table:

Even in states where ex-offenders automatically regain the right to vote upon completion of their sentence, the process of re-registering to vote often is difficult. One reason is the complexity of the laws and processes surrounding disenfranchisement. In some cases, it is difficult to determine whose rights can be restored. This can vary in some states according to the date of the crime, the conviction, or the release from prison, or the nature of the crime. The complex restoration process also can be daunting. It often involves lengthy paperwork, burdensome documentation, and the involvement and coordination of several state agencies

This, again, is why Jim Crow is an apt comparison. It's a web of rules that all together add up to a system of control.

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Post by dang »

jkolyer wrote: post #106

More virtue signaling from Nate "the landslide" Silver

If you can't stop posting unsubstantive, inflammatory remarks, we're going to have to ban you. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15531321 and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Patterns of Death in the South Still Show the Outlines of Slavery

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Post by slamdance »

lfam wrote: post #46
slamdance wrote: post #37

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so we end the war on drugs and outlaw private prisons. Do you really believe this will satisfy BLM? Do you really believe this will solve the problems in the inner cities? Chicago? Baltimore? St. Louis? There are a LOT of fingers pointing for political reasons, yet some topics and ideas are deemed "off-limits".

Please, feel free to share your "off-limits" ideas, so that we can judge them in the light of day.

How about anything regarding "black-on-black" crime? YOu hear about "serial killer" in Tampa after 3 shootings, but nothing about Chicago or Baltimore or Cleveland, etc... WHERE IS BLM THERE? Granted, some cops are assholes. there is no doubt about that. some shouldn't be cops. But as a black man, you're 11 times more likely to be killed by another black man than you are by a cop [1]. Inconvenient facts Or that police officers are almost 20 TIMES more likely to be killed by a black man [2]. Now - Think about the population ratios and what that entails.

How about the ENTIRE "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" movement was based on a known LIE. That didn't stop BLM, though, did it?

How about being "unarmed" does not mean "docile" or "not dangerous"?

How about statistics that that BLM and the regressive left don't like to hear? like how the Welfare system is a GENERATIONAL crutch that drags society and their individual communities down [3-7], but what do people vote for? MORE WELFARE, and anyone who votes against less welfare (or anything that doesn't "redistribute" or otherwise steal money) is obviously racist. Its things like THIS that gave you Trump. Identity politics is what gave you Trump. Yet very few in this country want to take responsibility for their actions or their current situation. It's always someone else's fault, and someone else's job to fix it. Stop wallowing in the past. Today and every tomorrow is a blank sheet. It isn't "my" fault that some people can't see or don't take advantage of their opportunities. But what do I know? You've probably already labeled me a "racist", not knowing my race, not knowing my background or circumstances.

[1] http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/c... [2] http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-kno... [3] https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/more-welfare-mo... [4] https://www.brookings.edu/research/work-and-marriage-the-way... [5] http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/povert... [6] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/22/the-e... [7] http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/21/opinion/spalding-welfare-state...

one more for good measure: http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-r...

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Post by dominotw »

gumby wrote: post #92
dominotw wrote: post #76

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sorry I was referring to GP's comment about cheap labor, not the profitability of prison itself. Are private companies generating significant profit off of cheap prison labor ? Am I buying something from a walmart shelve made from prison labor ?

> Am I buying something from a walmart shelve made from prison labor ? Yep. A quick google search with that very question finds lots of entries, many of course with an axe to grind. The Economist is rather dispassionate on the subject though: https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21718897-idaho-... But if you interact with the government, go to McDonalds, etc you're using prison labor. Whole Foods too ( http:/…

oh wow. I had no idea. Thank you for the information.

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Post by Recurecur »

cletus wrote: post #34
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #2

Almost the only people doing well in rural America are those with generational wealth. I know plenty of people from my small hometown that have been doing okay with their farms. One of them has a gravel business. Those without such luck are either moving to a bigger city or experiencing a declining quality of life, and they're coping with drugs, meth mostly. I can't imagine what that would be like in areas that haven…

Personally I think the current socioeconomic trends are firmly against small towns and they're all dying and this will continue until something drastic changes. For one, family farms have largely been replaced by agribusiness, which tends to be far more economical. For another, employment and home ownership trends are bad for small towns. Employment is now more short-term. There are hardly any "jobs for life" now. Th…

It rather amazes me how intelligent people who've lived through some of the most rapidly changing times ever seem sure they know the future.

Imagine a glut of cheap energy, rapidly improving materials science, pervasive robotics, and large-scale 3D printing. I think it's almost inevitable that construction costs would come way down. Between telepresence and cheap transportation, the need to aggregate people into urban environments would cease.

I think it's highly likely things will go in this direction at some point.

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Post by dang »

slamdance wrote: post #114
lfam wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, feel free to share your "off-limits" ideas, so that we can judge them in the light of day.

How about anything regarding "black-on-black" crime? YOu hear about "serial killer" in Tampa after 3 shootings, but nothing about Chicago or Baltimore or Cleveland, etc... WHERE IS BLM THERE? Granted, some cops are assholes. there is no doubt about that. some shouldn't be cops. But as a black man, you're 11 times more likely to be killed by another black man than you are by a cop [1]. Inconvenient facts Or that polic…

This sort of stock ideological rant is just what HN isn't for. Please don't post like this!

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