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Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by halflings »

endorphone wrote: post #35

A question I've always wondered -- If Google, or an employee at Google, used ML (or just classic techniques) to analyze the enormous, enormous troves of trojan horse data they have on the employees of virtually every organization across the globe, would it be illegal if they traded on that data? They could surely accurately call virtually any trend before anyone. They could see when morale at a firm drops, when hours…

Google does not use corporate customer's data for any type of commercial use, it's only used for the customer's own use.

As such, they do not have "enormous troves of trojan horse data" as they are not allowed (by their own terms) to use it for anything unrelated to the company itself.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by agentgt »

peteretep wrote: post #104
agentgt wrote: post #41

My company makes recruiting software and it we knew it was only a matter of time (a couple of years ago... now its obvious) before Google would enter the recruiting industry. Particularly because the major players other than LinkedIn basically rely entirely on Google. All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do is buy Google Ads and then essentially resells the marketing. This is similar to the situation TripAdvisor is in…

> All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do > is buy Google Ads and then essentially > resells the marketing That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well. > if you wondering the what the difference > is between aggregator and job board Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact.

> That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well.

Actually they all sell additional HR software (I know this intimately well but unfortunately I can't legally go into the details) but just like Google they make most of their money by selling advertising space.

> Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact.

Originally aggregators were like that but Indeed changed that later on. Actually the major difference (and I didn't want to go into it before) is the pricing model. Aggregators charge similar to how Google does.

They have promoted search results and charge based on impressions/clicks.

Job Boards charge like traditional advertising. A flat fee for placement for a certain amount of time.

One thing is for sure none of them provide things for free. The free job postings on Indeed is on the way out (I mean it will always be there but its not how they make money nor does it work that well).

(as a friendly note I recall people do not like when you use the code feature (ie space indentation) for quoting comments.. I don't mind though)

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by gareim »

arpit wrote: post #42
Spivak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the replacement for Android right now iOS? Still proprietary but Apple seems to take a much tougher stance on privacy.

It seems more a marketing strategy than a real belief in user privacy. For example, see the latest rejection of ad-blocking VPN apps from the App Store https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/15/apple-reportedly-shifts-app-s...

Those VPN apps install a root cert don't they? That's a huge security hazard and likely why Apple is putting their foot down on it.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by halflings »

pasharayan wrote: post #2

It's easy to forget, but LinkedIn doesn't have rich resume data of candidates. With Hire, Google now gets rich resume & employee data - data, when coupled with search history, that can now be used to build better user profiles than before. Given this, "Hire" is (or could become) a trojan horse into replacing the network effect that LinkedIn has created.

> when coupled with search history, that can now be used to build better user profiles than before.

Can we stop sharing unsubstantiated claims please?

"No, Google Hire Won’t Share Your Search History With Employers"

http://gizmodo.com/no-google-hire-won-t-share-your-search-hi...

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by enraged_camel »

ramshanker wrote: post #88
mrkrabo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it is, taking into account the GP said there's no "viable alternative" to Android... but iOS exists, and it's not only a viable alternative, but much better than Android in lots of ways.

>>it's not only a viable alternative, but much better than Android in lots of ways. That is kind of a matter of individual taste. Many people are on the other side, and by the look of it, OP too. He/She is on android.

The GP said they "will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented." This strongly implies iOS is not a viable alternative generally, rather than for them specifically. It read like a cheap potshot at iOS.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by dgemm »

nateps wrote: post #105
Androider wrote: post #30

I was just about to select a recruitment management service. Both Lever and Greenhouse has "call us" pricing, and sadly Google Hire follows the same trend. Only Workable has a clear pricing page, which gives them a big plus in my book. Since we're on G Suite, Hire could be a natural fit but the requirement to book a demo (and the accompanying upside-down shaking to see how much money falls out of our pockets) is a bi…

Hi there! I'm Nate, Founder and CTO of Lever. Appreciate your feedback! As you've discovered, many B2B companies that primarily sell via inside or field sales do not post their pricing directly. Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities. We provide a consultative sales approach, listening ca…

> Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful

It is helpful and advantageous for the vendor only, which is why customers are so turned off by it.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by dbattaglia »

chris__butters wrote: post #100

Let's see how many businesses are destroyed and how much money Google makes because of this. It's a shame they can't just stand back and let people use websites like Indeed, Monster, JobSite among others and let them get on with it and just make money from the ads. Do they not make enough already?

I'd feel worse if the major job boards offered better, more modern products.

The last employer I worked for did recruitment software for the Fortune 500s. We offered career sites (pulling jobs from their ATS) and tools for recruiters to push their jobs to the various boards. From what I can tell having your career site be highly visible / SEO friendly on Google was the most important feature we offered. I agree that it's unfortunate watching giants like Google smash the competition, but it will be interesting to maybe finally see a truly modern job seeker facing job search.

Now if only we can get these horrific ATS-es to join the 21st century with their application process...

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by corobo »

rainbowmverse wrote: post #86
hellofunk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented One alternative that's been around for a while you might like if you want to continue using smart mobile devices is an operating system made by Apple (not Google), called iOS (used to be called iPhone OS but it can now be used on tablets too even some music players like iPods have it). Just throwing that out there, they have a lot of similar feat…

I think it's safe to assume lettergram is aware of iOS, has considered it, and has decided it's not a viable alternative for their needs.

I think it's also safe to assume the comment you're replying to is absolutely drenched in sarcasm

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by sawmurai »

stanleydrew wrote: post #98
popopobobobo wrote: post #89

Don't you guys realize what is happening? Google potentially can screw you with your careers now. Image they serve up your resume along with the type of porn you searched in the footnote.

And what value would Google get out of adding your porn search queries to your resume exactly?

Well, they can tell their customers "look, if you search through us we can give you the candidates application along with a nice analysis of their personality, their history, their real interests etc."

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lettergram wrote: post #10

I for one, will never use a Google product again. They level of creepiness and data they have on all their users is insane. I personally have switched to DuckDuckGo, Fastmail, FireFox (the mobile browser is awesome btw), and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented. Smooth sailing. The problem with Google, is they are building a repository for themselves, but also for government. Couple that…

> FireFox (the mobile browser is awesome btw)

I just tried to install Firefox on my phone, because the builtin browser regularly crashes.

I browsed one page. It felt like my phone was about to melt. So I'm still using the builtin browser that crashes after fully loading a page.

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