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Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Bizarre comparison! Prisons need to safely and securely provide accommodation for "high-risk, high-need" human beings to survive and be rehabilitated. Universities have a wholly different set of requirements.

> Prisons need to safely and securely provide accommodation for "high-risk, high-need" human beings to survive and be rehabilitated.

lmao

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Correction: contractors are fleecing tax payers.

Correction : Union. The California Correctional Peace Officers Association is very powerful in state and local elections and through association with other providers who are also union pretty much have the state on the ropes. Contractors might be part of the problem but they only are as much as CCPOA allows for. As in, you play by their rules or you don't get to play. Same reason we spend so much on education and don…

Prison guards aren't regularly raking in six figures, they make on average less than police officers.

Ultimately, I think you've got it the other way around. Prisons don't build themselves, contracts are put out for their construction, their vastly overpriced buses, cells, etc.

For example, the absolutely disgusting and dehumanizing water fountain/toilet combo, ensuring that every sip you take you smell and taste feces, costs $2600 while a normal stainless steel toilet runs about $250. Also, private prisons gain the benefits of a conscripted labor force without having to worry about slavery laws.

Corps have co-opted the unions to vote in their interest. After all, they have the carrot of offering a nice, kushy corporate gig. That prison guard's pension isn't going too far. Follow the money

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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The USA has ~5% of the world's population but 22% of the world's prisoners. Financial profiting from prisoners: Prison Labor - paid $0.93-0.16/hr California Prisons didn't want to release prisoners because they would loose cheap labor..Courts said they had to: https://thinkprogress.org/california-tells-court-it-cant-rel... 30% of California forest firefighters are prisoners .. The state argued against parole credit f…

There is nothing cheap about this labor, they are paying companies 70k to house someone so they can pay them 20c/h.

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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The USA has ~5% of the world's population but 22% of the world's prisoners. Financial profiting from prisoners: Prison Labor - paid $0.93-0.16/hr California Prisons didn't want to release prisoners because they would loose cheap labor..Courts said they had to: https://thinkprogress.org/california-tells-court-it-cant-rel... 30% of California forest firefighters are prisoners .. The state argued against parole credit f…

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Legally speaking seems like in the US that prisoners are slaves. SOURCE: https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.htm...

13th is a Netflix documentary about this. Warning: It may be quite difficult to watch.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Does the US court system not refund travel cost? Over here you can get full refund of travel cost if you are summoned to court(within reason - if you travel first class you will only get price of a normal ticket back).

> Does the US court system not refund travel cost? I'm sorry, I'm actually laughing out loud for that one. No, they do not refund any cost you incur for going to court. Luckily, I wasn't accused of any drug crimes or they may have seized my car and kept it under then-existing asset forfeiture (legal theft) laws

For future reference, if you or others reading this catch a bullshit charge like you describe, it is very likely that you can have a lawyer handle everything for you and it may be cheaper than the extra travel costs and missed work days. Even if you are supposedly 'required' to appear. I'm not a lawyer so my specific advice is to call a few and explain the situation, then hire one to handle everything for you.

Even if a charge sticks, they will be better then you at pleading it down and/or negotiating reduced fines when possible.

Again, it's likely going to be cheaper then travel costs and you should have a lawyer anyway, right from the very start. It sucks to be unfairly targeted but there is an easy way out. I hire a lawyer for even the most minor traffic violations and they really can save you money once you factor all costs (insurance rates, etc...).

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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>It really doesn't seem very many steps above slavery Zero. It's literally slavery. The thought of it is barbaric and horrible.

Yes the thought of it is horrible, but isn't it part of the purpose of criminal punishments to scare away people from committing crimes?

The working while in prison part or the not being released early part?

I personally don't mind inmates working while in prison. What I disagree with is the inmates not being allowed to be released early because the state wants them to keep working.

I don't think having to work while in prison is going to scare any would-be offender straight. And thinking about inmates not being released early is only going to piss off everyone.

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Let's not get carried away, they are criminals who committed crimes.

Then let's make their slavery part of the official statute rather than claim we're not also committing crimes.

Slavery is already legal in the US under the 13th amendment if one commits a crime. It's literally the highest law of the land.

Re: Housing a prisoner in California costs more than a year at Harvard

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Let's not get carried away, they are criminals who committed crimes.

Being convicted to slavery is justice now?

I don't like the over-use of the word "slavery".

Slavery was the capturing of innocent human beings and then forcing them and their progeny to do labor in perpetuity. It was utterly dehumanizing and undeserved treatment. We do a disservice to the meaning of slavery in the USA by calling everything slavery: taxation, prison work, marriage, etc.

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