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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by krrrh »

WorldMaker wrote: post #47
nkrisc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. At the current rate that's how the language will shift. I suppose we'll know if people start referring to things like "macOS deskphones" and think "laptop" always meant "laptop phone". :) It's like those futurist ads from the 50s (and 80s/90s) AT&T that soon there will be phones capable of amazing things everywhere in our li…

Mobile phones are called "Handys" in German. It's become such a satisfying and appropriate name for handheld computers, as distinct from traditional personal computers.

In British English, they've always called cellphones "mobiles", which is also a nice short name for mobile computers.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by shaftway »

guy-brush wrote: post #18
accountyaccount wrote: post #14

Disagree entirely. The stock phone app is likely the least used app I keep on my phone.

My main point is actually that I am forced to use this dialler without my consent. I am not trying to say that users shouldn't be able to customise the system but I am opposed to manufacturers forcing data-hungry 3rd party programs on customers.

But you aren't forced to use it. That's the whole point of having a dialer you can install.

It seems like the alternative you're suggesting is that vendors be able to lock you into their own dialer, which was probably produced by an outsourced firm anyway.

Or are you advocating that Google prevent people who download and modify the Android source from modifying that particular aspect of it?

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by dwighttk »

pyre wrote: post #57
WorldMaker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. At the current rate that's how the language will shift. I suppose we'll know if people start referring to things like "macOS deskphones" and think "laptop" always meant "laptop phone". :) It's like those futurist ads from the 50s (and 80s/90s) AT&T that soon there will be phones capable of amazing things everywhere in our li…

> Then again, I'm also strongly for renaming 3D Printers to facsimile machines because the word fax is too useful to lose to ancient toner-based modem printers. Then maybe we really will be able to "receive a fax at the beach"[1] in the future! [1]: http://mentalfloss.com/article/50105/you-willsend-fax-beach

man, as soon as that ad began playing, I remembered it... Remember the PS9 ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJXLu3YVpM

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by accountyaccount »

guy-brush wrote: post #18
accountyaccount wrote: post #14

Disagree entirely. The stock phone app is likely the least used app I keep on my phone.

My main point is actually that I am forced to use this dialler without my consent. I am not trying to say that users shouldn't be able to customise the system but I am opposed to manufacturers forcing data-hungry 3rd party programs on customers.

Granting permissions seems pretty clear. If a dialer asks for too many, use a different dialer. If a manufacturer preloads data-hungry apps, buy a device from someone else.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by ungzd »

sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

Imagine the same situation with other "core" component of smartphone — browser. That you have TrueExplorer Pro that sends each visited url and form data to central server and has broken https. And that you can't replace it with Chrome/Firefox/Opera. It will be worse than custom caller.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by woolinsilver »

wlesieutre wrote: post #85
muppetman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This must be an American thing. In New Zealand I still use the phone app for talking to people. I've never recieved a spam call - a few calls from companies I already donate too asking for more etc, but that's it. How many "bad" calls do you get a month?

10-15, which is far more than I get legitimate phone calls

I have never received one. Ever. I have had a mobile phone for twenty years. This problem seems very specific to the US.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by fs111 »

ungzd wrote: post #115
sailingparrot wrote: post #3

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

Imagine the same situation with other "core" component of smartphone — browser. That you have TrueExplorer Pro that sends each visited url and form data to central server and has broken https. And that you can't replace it with Chrome/Firefox/Opera. It will be worse than custom caller.

It sends each URL already, they call it "safe browsing"...

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by alasdair_ »

nkrisc wrote: post #101
rhcom2 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I never really thought of but that definitely looks like the trend: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne...

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

It's more fun when they try to swipe the TV and can't understand why it doesn't work the same way.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by tomjen3 »

nkrisc wrote: post #101
rhcom2 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I never really thought of but that definitely looks like the trend: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-owne...

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

I was about to comment, it is very annoying to write on a tablet for any kind of school length work. I would hate to write an essay on a tablet.

Then I realized I have installed Dragon on this computer, and there wasn't even a reason for me to type this reply. So I will risk a guess and assume that in the future essays will be spoken, not written. No doubt there will be an epic fight over this, as people try to defend why children of the future will have to learn to type. I will hazard one more prediction: they will lose.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by k2xl »

fs111 wrote: post #117
ungzd wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the same situation with other "core" component of smartphone — browser. That you have TrueExplorer Pro that sends each visited url and form data to central server and has broken https. And that you can't replace it with Chrome/Firefox/Opera. It will be worse than custom caller.

It sends each URL already, they call it "safe browsing"...

Actually, I don't think this is true - I think safe browsing is implemented via checking a bloom filter locally first and then checking google if a match is made on the bloom filter.
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