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Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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johnbrodie wrote: post #96
curun1r wrote: post #53

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It makes more sense in the context of the criticism that Docker gets. It's a counter to the inane "Docker isn't stable enough, Docker isn't secure enough, Docker isn't whatever enough to use in production" critique that some obstinate old ops person will throw up because they'd rather keep their job comfortable than try to accommodate a need beyond their own. I don't read it as Docker does all those things so much as…

The reality is, as far as I can see, there's just not much benefit in using Docker in a crappy (read: small) pool-of-app-servers-on-top-of-a-database webapp. I've had a lot of newer devs pushing to use Docker. I haven't had these newer devs give a solid reason why relatively low-volume, simple web apps need an additional layer of complexity over an easier-to-manage VM setup with automated provisioning.

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Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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user5994461 wrote: post #98
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

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Guesses to who would acquire it? My money is on HP or Oracle.

The best for the customers would be to be acquired by Google, AWS or RedHat. Then they can "replace" the docker name with something that works, earn revenues out of it and benefit from the synergy with their other products. The issue is, Docker is not worth billions of dollars and these buyers are already en route to kill it with their own replacement.

Exactly.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by vertex-four »

user5994461 wrote: post #102
holydude wrote: post #55

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+ the docker engine is just a polished version of what we had for ages

Not totally accurate. BSD and solaris have had good containerisation engines for a while. Linux, not so much.

Ehh... the actual "make a container out of this chunk of the filesystem" bit can be done in a couple hundred lines of Ruby/Python/Perl - Docker is, of course, just telling the kernel to create new uid/filesystem/network/etc namespaces and what to put in them. Most of Docker is the image management system and build tool.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by icebraining »

vertex-four wrote: post #114
user5994461 wrote: post #102

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Not totally accurate. BSD and solaris have had good containerisation engines for a while. Linux, not so much.

Ehh... the actual "make a container out of this chunk of the filesystem" bit can be done in a couple hundred lines of Ruby/Python/Perl - Docker is, of course, just telling the kernel to create new uid/filesystem/network/etc namespaces and what to put in them. Most of Docker is the image management system and build tool.

I think the point is that those namespaces are rather recent themselves, whereas e.g. FreeBSD has had jails since 2000.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by opsunit »

majewsky wrote: post #75
bdcravens wrote: post #66

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Walking around the exhibit hall at DockerCon, and then trying to pick sessions, I couldn't help but feel that heading a small engineering team I was at the wrong conference.

Same at CloudNativeCon by the way. I went to the technical-sounding talks (as opposed to "success stories"), but most of them were just "observe as I upload a YAML file into Kubernetes and stuff happens". Meanwhile, the booths were 50% "we can install Kubernetes for you" and 50% "we can do monitoring/logshipping for your Kubernetes", which is interesting given that the Kubernetes guys are working on solving the first…

2c from my experience.

Fluentd is a terrible log shipper: sub-second timestamping is not yet supported in the stable build, support is patchy in the plugin ecosystem in 0.14. There's also some humdingers buried in the source (Rational numbers for time arithmetic?) Abstractions leak all over the place. The plugin ecosystem is weak and the API shims in the minor version API break are poor and in my experience break semver.

Prometheus has the right idea, but I wouldn't want to be running and scaling my telemetry system if I'd also taken on the burden of running my own container scheduler. Whilst I've no doubt Prometheus can be made to scale, I'd rather somebody else made the federation decisions for me.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by human_error »

user5994461 wrote: post #98
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guesses to who would acquire it? My money is on HP or Oracle.

The best for the customers would be to be acquired by Google, AWS or RedHat. Then they can "replace" the docker name with something that works, earn revenues out of it and benefit from the synergy with their other products. The issue is, Docker is not worth billions of dollars and these buyers are already en route to kill it with their own replacement.

Would Google or Amazon be actually interested in buying Docker? Like you said, they'd rather make their own product which would happen to support docker features.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by shykes »

meddlepal wrote: post #79
bdcravens wrote: post #66

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Walking around the exhibit hall at DockerCon, and then trying to pick sessions, I couldn't help but feel that heading a small engineering team I was at the wrong conference.

Agreed. There was a remarkable difference between 2017 DockerCon and 2016. I felt right at place in 2016 but 2017... just missed the mark. Felt very much like all the session were geared toward "Introducing Docker" or "How to convince your manager about Docker". Oh well :\

Did you try any of the black belt track? It seems like that might have been a good fit for you.

One problem with the Austin convention center is that it's VERY spread out, so it's easy to miss an entire chunk of sessions because they're almost impossibly far if you don't know what you're looking for.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by cookiecaper »

meddlepal wrote: post #79
bdcravens wrote: post #66

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Walking around the exhibit hall at DockerCon, and then trying to pick sessions, I couldn't help but feel that heading a small engineering team I was at the wrong conference.

Agreed. There was a remarkable difference between 2017 DockerCon and 2016. I felt right at place in 2016 but 2017... just missed the mark. Felt very much like all the session were geared toward "Introducing Docker" or "How to convince your manager about Docker". Oh well :\

If only more of us had managers that needed convincing to switch to Docker.

As this thread insinuates, Docker is a VC-driven fad that has been seized upon by posers as the next buzzword to plaster across their resume. I wish more engineering managers were willing to stand up to this nonsense.

Re: Steve Singh will become Docker’s new CEO

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Post by dang »

throwaway4719 wrote: post #108
dang wrote: post #89

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Please don't post like this to HN. It's a breach of the civility rule to accuse a fellow user of "standard PR stuff" and insinuate astroturfing or other bad-faith behavior without evidence. The overwhelming majority of the time, you're simply talking to someone with a different point of view than yours, and that's the foundation of civil discourse.

Note: Docker is a YC company (S10). Note 2: This kind of comment from a moderator feels a bit out of place, given this. At least without a disclaimer explaining the relationship between the topic and the moderator's employer.

Three thoughts. First, the overwhelming majority of users who we stick up for with comments like this (including the GP) aren't affiliated with YC in any way, so I don't see what problem that would solve.

It would insult readers' knowledge and intelligence to put nitpicky disclaimers on everything, especially when the affiliations are all public. Presumably you knew these things without special access; why assume less of others?

HN is a spirit-of-the-law, not letter-of-the-law place. The principle at issue is that fellow users deserve to be read charitably. I don't see how that needs any disclaiming.

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