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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by gurkendoktor »

slantyyz wrote: post #14
dogma1138 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH not any less excusable since laptops should be tested in a thermal chamber and for a long duration, but PR wise it wasn't this bad. And what's worse it just hints a deeper issues, the 6/6plus bendgate and the more recent display gate were kinda meh, now this line which not only had some questionable design choices but also has multiple hardware issues. Things just seem to be broken.

Usually the predictable venom comes from Apple haters, but with this particular release, a lot of the venom has actually come from Apple lovers, which is what makes this particular release so noteworthy in my opinion.

Because the MBP matters so much to techies.

Technically, the 12" MacBook was worse than the MBP refresh in every way: Only one USB-C port, extremely underpowered, flimsy keyboard. Commenters everywhere ridiculed it, but it was obviously an "optional" product. So what, Apple often releases things that are too far ahead of the curve for most people. (Voice-controlled iPod shuffle, anyone?)

But by calling it the new MacBook Pro, they've pretty much guaranteed that none of its laptops will ever be thicker again, or come with "older" ports, or with a traditional keyboard. They've put upper limits on all its laptops now. It's not that I am disinterested in the 2016 release. I also can't imagine how the 2017-2019 releases could possibly appeal to me, unless they surprise us with a MacBook Pro SE.

This is not like the disappointing 2014 Mac mini, which Apple can fix overnight just by updating the parts. knocks on wood...

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by sctb »

WayneBro wrote: post #83

The actual content of those comments hasn't really been addressed by these quick fixes though. Does this fix the other numerous and varied complaints about the Macbook Pro? Does it change the fact that they're not doing anything that's noteworthy in a positive way? Does it fix slumping iPhone sales? Does it change the fact that more and more pro users are getting sick of the tyranny of Apple and moving away from them…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13064089 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by gurkendoktor »

slantyyz wrote: post #6
dogma1138 wrote: post #4

The amount of hardware issues with the new MBP are kinda staggering.... USB-C issues, GPU issues, image corruption, now this.

Has there been as contentious a Mac release as there has been with the new MBPs? I've been using Macs since the mid 80s, and I'm trying to think of some, but am drawing a blank. The only possibilities I can think of are the two processor switches (680x0 -> PPC followed by PPC -> Intel) or maybe the first release of OSX (but that's not necesarily hardware related).

The first generation of Intel MacBooks was terrible. The plastic broke all the time while also turning yellow, and many CPUs could be overheated (instant shutdown) just by running `yes` on two cores.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by avian »

mikejmoffitt wrote: post #80
wrigby wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree on this, but I can also see how they got to a design that has this flaw. You can do better (more transparent, more adaptive, etc.) limiting in DSP than with a simple hardware circuit. Doing the limiting in the driver also saves you hardware components and PCB layout space. It's a slippery slope of optimization that only works when you control the OS (or drivers at least) and the hardware together, but…

A small micro or DSP processor can sit in the data path and solve this problem "in software, in hardware". It's unusual for software to be able to damage hardware for a consumer product.

Old Samsung ARM Chromebooks used to have a similar problem where some ALSA settings would overload and destroy the built-in speakers. Mine actually started smoking and melting after I installed Debian.

https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/12/10/how-to-fry-spea...

I don't want to compare a $300 browser-in-a-box with a $2000 laptop, but issues like this aren't unheard of.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by zeroer »

etatoby wrote: post #44
econnors wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, among my (20 something year old) friends, the iPhone used to be a must-have for many reasons; now, it's only a must-have for imessage. If android phones could send "blue texts" than I'm sure many would switch over.

Isn't WhatsApp widespread enough in your circles, as a IM replacement? I thought it was quite universal. Or is it a particular feature of iMessage that WhatsApp is missing?

I change sim card (and hence phone number) frequently for international travel. WhatsApp is horrendous for this use case. It makes me re-authenticate (or something) each time, and people have a hard time finding me. Identity should not be linked to phone number.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by rajathagasthya »

WayneBro wrote: post #88
econnors wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, among my (20 something year old) friends, the iPhone used to be a must-have for many reasons; now, it's only a must-have for imessage. If android phones could send "blue texts" than I'm sure many would switch over.

The non-iPhone users don't send the blue text. Your sent texts are blue on your iPhone if you're messaging another iPhone user and it's green if not. Though, who actually cares about this and why? Anyway, I recently switched to iOS for an experiment and my biggest gripe is: no back button. Instead of a conveniently placed button, I have to always reach up to the upper left corner of the app to go back. My second bigg…

> Anyway, I recently switched to iOS for an experiment and my biggest gripe is: no back button. Instead of a conveniently placed button, I have to always reach up to the upper left corner of the app to go back.

You can swipe from the left corner of the screen to go back (do this with 3D touch and it switches to your previous app). You don't need to reach the top for the back button every time.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by marcosdumay »

Inthenameofmine wrote: post #96
joshklein wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also worried. At first, I rationalized weakness on the Mac front as a side-effect of a strategic prioritization of the mobile & cloud ecosystem. But then I got the new iPhone, and I've been surprised by my emotional reaction to it feeling buggy. It's all relatively minor in isolation; voicemail consistently fails to load messages multiple times before it succeeds, voicemail occasionally crashes, apps get stuck ha…

I guess the grass really is always greener on the other side. Android and W10 people always complain about buggyness. I think we've reached the point where larger software has become too complex for today's development and testing methods.

Some phones are cheap, some have big screens, some as fast, some have extra battery or memory.

Apple's differential has always been the UX. If they lose that, they'll need to be the best in something else.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by lostlogin »

spacehacker wrote: post #90
joshklein wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also worried. At first, I rationalized weakness on the Mac front as a side-effect of a strategic prioritization of the mobile & cloud ecosystem. But then I got the new iPhone, and I've been surprised by my emotional reaction to it feeling buggy. It's all relatively minor in isolation; voicemail consistently fails to load messages multiple times before it succeeds, voicemail occasionally crashes, apps get stuck ha…

There certainly is regression at all corners: 1. Try finding a close-up of the keyboard of the function key model on the MacBook Pro website. It seems it is just not there or I'm failing to find it. Previously Apple used to have a design section where you could see the products from all angles. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/ 2. The online shop is just horrible. Even finding the store takes a while and the icons lo…

Point 3 is incredible. It's like a selfie stick gone wrong (or perhaps, gone more wrong).

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Post by smpetrey »

mikeash wrote: post #95
WayneBro wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non-iPhone users don't send the blue text. Your sent texts are blue on your iPhone if you're messaging another iPhone user and it's green if not. Though, who actually cares about this and why? Anyway, I recently switched to iOS for an experiment and my biggest gripe is: no back button. Instead of a conveniently placed button, I have to always reach up to the upper left corner of the app to go back. My second bigg…

It's getting less common, but some people still pay exorbitant per-message rates for SMS. I no longer care, but when iMessage first came out I was really happy that I could finally text (some) people freely.

I'm floating in the same social circle right now. 99% of my friends and family have an apple device to communicate. I just kicked the text-messaging subscription bucket.
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