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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by rplst8 »

wrigby wrote: post #59
rplst8 wrote: post #31

For the record, if the speaker is truly blown (ruined) this is a problem with the hardware - not the software. If you can't design a speaker and amplifier combination with a limiter that won't let itself self-destruct, you are an audio design failure.

I mostly agree on this, but I can also see how they got to a design that has this flaw. You can do better (more transparent, more adaptive, etc.) limiting in DSP than with a simple hardware circuit. Doing the limiting in the driver also saves you hardware components and PCB layout space. It's a slippery slope of optimization that only works when you control the OS (or drivers at least) and the hardware together, but…

I can see your point, but this is one of the downsides to vertical integration.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by mi100hael »

swah wrote: post #48
hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

Just look at Android phones and tablets and non-Apple notebooks: Apple will be fine. (I'm an Android user).

I ditched my rMBP in favor of a Dell M5510 Developer Edition because I was sick of my MBP pretty consistently freezing especially waking from sleep, or the sound drivers crashing, or my time machine backups becoming corrupted every other week. The build quality is 90% of the way there, as are a lot of smartphones like the One Plus 3 for half the price of an iPhone.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by WayneBro »

The actual content of those comments hasn't really been addressed by these quick fixes though.

Does this fix the other numerous and varied complaints about the Macbook Pro? Does it change the fact that they're not doing anything that's noteworthy in a positive way? Does it fix slumping iPhone sales?

Does it change the fact that more and more pro users are getting sick of the tyranny of Apple and moving away from them?

Nope.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by slantyyz »

engi_nerd wrote: post #49
slantyyz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in a very similar boat to you. Mine died right (weeks) after my AppleCare ended. Because a local authorized Apple dealer would fix it without an appointment (vs the local Apple Store), I took mine there. I did upgrades too, but I always keep my original RAM and HD in case I get a nitpicky tech. I stuffed those in there (with a fresh OS install) when I sent it for repair and had no issue. A friend of mine who ha…

In retrospect, keeping the original components would have been a good idea. In those 4 years I moved 3 times and the original components were lost to the ether somewhere in there. Still, they should have honored what they promised in their manual. The fact that I even had to break out the manual (via PDF) is an annoyance. The representative's failure to honor that language, even as they readily admitted that yes, tha…

While they should have accepted non-stock upgrades (and it is possible you just got a cranky tech), the reason why I keep that old stuff around is that I don't trust them.

I read stories on the Apple Support boards related to repairs on the 2011 MBPs and some people were getting laptops back from Apple with RAM upgrades missing, etc. And because of the Geek Squad horror stories (yes, I know Apple is not the Geek Squad - but better safe than sorry), I'd rather just give them a working HD with no data on it.

-- edit

Having said all of this, you can't swap out parts with the newer macs as easily since they're not as user-serviceable as the 2012 unibodies and earlier.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by forgetsusername »

joshklein wrote: post #40
hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

I'm also worried. At first, I rationalized weakness on the Mac front as a side-effect of a strategic prioritization of the mobile & cloud ecosystem. But then I got the new iPhone, and I've been surprised by my emotional reaction to it feeling buggy. It's all relatively minor in isolation; voicemail consistently fails to load messages multiple times before it succeeds, voicemail occasionally crashes, apps get stuck ha…

>I'm also worried.

No worries here. I'm happy the landscape is getting more competitive.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by slantyyz »

2bluesc wrote: post #3

Sounds like the audio amp is too powerful for the speakers if it permanently damages it. I'm betting the amp is integrated into a multi function chip or codec where it was selected because of integrated features rather then matched to the required speaker power.

I wonder if using Boom [1] on OSX is dangerous on the new Macbook Pros. When I was still on Mac, that was one of the first apps I'd install, since they'd make the older Macbook internal speakers sound way better.

[1] http://www.globaldelight.com/boom/index.php

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by WayneBro »

econnors wrote: post #23
hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

Anecdotally, among my (20 something year old) friends, the iPhone used to be a must-have for many reasons; now, it's only a must-have for imessage. If android phones could send "blue texts" than I'm sure many would switch over.

The non-iPhone users don't send the blue text. Your sent texts are blue on your iPhone if you're messaging another iPhone user and it's green if not.

Though, who actually cares about this and why?

Anyway, I recently switched to iOS for an experiment and my biggest gripe is: no back button. Instead of a conveniently placed button, I have to always reach up to the upper left corner of the app to go back.

My second biggest gripe is that links from Apple's shitty programs only want to open in Safari instead of my browser.

And third, I can't organize my icons the way I want to. Typical Apple: No choices. Their way or the highway. Fuck you power-users and people who know what they want.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by [deleted] »

WayneBro wrote: post #83

The actual content of those comments hasn't really been addressed by these quick fixes though. Does this fix the other numerous and varied complaints about the Macbook Pro? Does it change the fact that they're not doing anything that's noteworthy in a positive way? Does it fix slumping iPhone sales? Does it change the fact that more and more pro users are getting sick of the tyranny of Apple and moving away from them…

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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by spacehacker »

joshklein wrote: post #40
hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

I'm also worried. At first, I rationalized weakness on the Mac front as a side-effect of a strategic prioritization of the mobile & cloud ecosystem. But then I got the new iPhone, and I've been surprised by my emotional reaction to it feeling buggy. It's all relatively minor in isolation; voicemail consistently fails to load messages multiple times before it succeeds, voicemail occasionally crashes, apps get stuck ha…

There certainly is regression at all corners:

1. Try finding a close-up of the keyboard of the function key model on the MacBook Pro website. It seems it is just not there or I'm failing to find it. Previously Apple used to have a design section where you could see the products from all angles.

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

2. The online shop is just horrible. Even finding the store takes a while and the icons look like clip-art. Complete mess.

http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories

3. This is how the Apple Pencil and the Mighty Mouse are supposed to be charged:

https://i.imgur.com/CvcaGze.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/P8M8pqO.jpg

The Mighty Mouse is also an ergonomic disaster.

4. The iPhone case with battery pack has an aweful design. Who would ever let this pass?

https://i.imgur.com/DyvTE3w.jpg

5. It also feels like the "Designed by Apple in California" book was published 20 years early. It's just like the new Star Wars movie, all those recent sequels of the n-th iteration and Marvel comic adaptations. Nobody innovates anymore and people just replicate what worked well before or only improve it incrementally.

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