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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by douche »

oblio wrote: post #107
blfr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're just calling whatever you dislike "conservative." Left/right, conservative/liberal are all relative, there are no absolute points of reference. In modern US, GOP represent the conservatives and Democrats are liberals. Thanks to neoconservatives, some younger people got used to the fact that right wingers are warmongers building global empires* but these are not intrinsically right or conservative views. Plenty…

> They wanted a never-ending revolution that spread to the entire world, or at least the English Channel since they were better at manufacturing tanks than ships. The Soviet Navy was one of the biggest navies in the world. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure it was #2 in the world, only behind the US Navy.

And it would have gotten the ever-living shit knocked out of it in a conventional shooting war with the US Navy.

Saddam's Iraqi army was one of the largest in the world. North Korea still has one of the largest. Quantity doesn't have quite the same quality as in Stalin's day.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by dredmorbius »

richev wrote: post #20
javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

Financial Times - http://ft.com

The Financial Times and The Economist have a shared history, though common ownership interest in the two publications ended in August of 2015. The fact that both papers are very high quality and have done well in the online era strikes me as not unrelated.

Though separate now (FT is owned by Nikkei of Japan, The Economist is now principally held by the Agnelli family, who founded Fiat, along with several other families including Cadbury, Layton, Rothschild, and Schroder.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/15/economist-beco...

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by dredmorbius »

johnnyb9 wrote: post #23
javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

WSJ?

Suffering at least somewhat financially. Its reputation was completely tarnished for me when Murdoch / NewsCorp bought it.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by 1337biz »

tedunangst wrote: post #60
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #35

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How would you define "advertising" for purposes of this tax?

The president creates a new post, the ad czar, who browses the internet, clicking on all the ads. Every time they click, a tax is assessed.

But what about the Russians? They will double click! How can we keep up with that?!

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by dredmorbius »

msie wrote: post #61
peterwwillis wrote: post #12

Devil's advocate: reporting on the polling numbers as they come in can cloud the decisions people make at the polls, and the entire process of trying to determine who's winning serves no useful purpose in daily life other than as pure subjective entertainment. Normally I would say we should all just use online voting ( edit: online registration & mailed voting ) the way 3 states (Washington, Oregon, and Nevada) curre…

Online voting is such a bad idea. It's too vulnerable to hacking.

Though I believe it's practiced in Estonia.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by dredmorbius »

prawn wrote: post #51
javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

The Guardian?

Somewhat mixed, financially.

The Guardian have a massive endowment (£842 million), but have also been failing to meet costs based on advertising and subscriptions revenues.

FT have an article (search headline via Google in Incognito mode to read):

Guardian launches paid membership scheme https://www.ft.com/content/39ad0574-390d-11e4-9526-00144feab...

The Guardian has launched a paid membership scheme, as it seeks to narrow operating losses that reached £33.8m last year.

Given the size of the endowment, that's a 24 year burn-rate.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by briandear »

blintz wrote: post #73
dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

"PR agency" is quite the stretch. If you read the actual email ( https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10634 ) instead of the poor secondhand accounts you linked, you'll see that there's a staffer that says "I think it’s as good as we could hope for. We were able to keep him from including more on the JVF" This is a staffer saying that they talked the reporter from the NYT out of focusing on an area they didn't li…

I would argue the Clinton campaign isnt slimey because of this -- it's smart media relations. What does call credibility into question is The NY Times was "talked out of" reporting on something. An objective reporter would tell them to pound sand at a request to not report something.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by briandear »

grandalf wrote: post #63
skyrw wrote: post #62

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This election isn't Liberalism vs Conservatism, it's Corporatism vs Populism.

I agree... HRC is a corporatist conservative and Trump is a populist conservative.

Neither one is conservative. Conservatism means small, limited government. Classical 'liberalism.'

Both want large expansive governments -- the differences are in how they employ the machinery of government to achieve their ends.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by 07d046 »

briandear wrote: post #109
monfrere wrote: post #84

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I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

However there are documented instances, with Politico for instance where stories were given prior approval by the Clinton campaign before publishing. There's lots of evidence that reporters colluded with the Clinton campaign. That's not 'negotiating access.' Reporters ethically are bound to not give sources the ability to approve stories. Otherwise those stories might as well be press releases. I went to journalism s…

> email scandal

On this topic, I find it mildly amusing that, for all the accusations of bias, it was actually the New York Times that broke the story of Clinton's private email server.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clinto...

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by briandear »

Gaelan wrote: post #93
xherberta wrote: post #45

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Is anyone else annoyed by NPR's ads for itself? Do all NPR stations run these things, claiming, "We're the only news source you need," and "We'll tell you everything you need to know."?

Is this during pledge drives or just all the time?

I do find it interesting that they advertise in a backhanded way: "This was brought to you because of a generous donation from XYX Corp."
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