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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media is already effectively nationalized. What's needed are policies to end corporate influence. When you have every newspaper, radio channel, and TV station owned by the same four or five companies who are running them as loss leaders to start wars and sell weapons, that's a major problem.

Politicians are the ultimate decision makers when it comes to weapons and war. You cant fix the problem by focusing only on media.

Politicians speak for their constituencies.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

Yeah, that and acting as a PR agency for the Iraq war.

Edit: Google "Judith Miller," then downvote.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

"PR agency" is quite the stretch. If you read the actual email (https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10634) instead of the poor secondhand accounts you linked, you'll see that there's a staffer that says "I think it’s as good as we could hope for. We were able to keep him from including more on the JVF"

This is a staffer saying that they talked the reporter from the NYT out of focusing on an area they didn't like. It shows the Hilary campaign is slimey, but it doesn't mean that the NYT has suddenly lost all credibility as a news source. It's not clear from the email that the reporter actually promised anything; it sounds equally probable that the Clinton people were just happy with the NYT's reporting.

I also think (perhaps cynically) that this happens all the time, and is not a huge deal - sources try to angle the pieces journalists write about them, and selectively reveal information favorable to them, and journalists comply to varying degrees to get more information out of those sources in the future; it's not an ethical bright line - it's murky, and I doubt if you listened to all the communication that journalists had with their sources, you would find some stark ethical boundary between sources and journalists 100% of the time.

All reporters talk to the people they are covering. There is always a risk of sources having undue control over a story, but this doesn't sound as extreme as you are making it out to be. We can't abandon a respected source of journalism just because there is a vague appearance of impropriety.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#74
post #33

Oh you mean unlike the login-wall they've put up for every article in the past two weeks? That open access? Edit: I'm pretty mad that every NYT link I've been clicking for what has felt like two weeks has asked me to login. I was forced to finally make an account. Screw that. I'd pay if you gave me an option that made sense. I'm not going to drop $500+/year to subscribe to all the places I read from when I only read…

Incognito didn't work for you?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Wikileaks revealed that the NYT was in coordination with HRC's campaign to publish flattering stories. I think the credibility of the news organization is over.

They survived the Judith Miller controversy. What is it about the HRC-NYT emails that ends their credibility in ways that Judith Miller didn't?

edit: I can't think of a good reason to downvote this question (please do explain), but I'll rephrase: the Judith Miller Iraq reporting was bad to say the least, and they got rid of her. In this case I am under the impression that the problem is a few isolated cases, but I'm not well educated and am possibly missing something. What about these emails makes this a sweeping issue over the whole organization, as opposed to a few reporters having abused their welcome?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#76
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex. Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

You're just calling whatever you dislike "conservative." Left/right, conservative/liberal are all relative, there are no absolute points of reference. In modern US, GOP represent the conservatives and Democrats are liberals.

Thanks to neoconservatives, some younger people got used to the fact that right wingers are warmongers building global empires* but these are not intrinsically right or conservative views. Plenty of truly hardcore leftists, like Russian communists who were so far to the left of Hillary they would have useless bourgeois scum like her executed, loved war. Socialism is war time economy planning applied in peace time. They wanted a never-ending revolution that spread to the entire world, or at least the English Channel since they were better at manufacturing tanks than ships.

* Well, trying to build global empires while in reality bombing a random stretch of desert.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing. I don't think they're losing money on the online offerings. I think people pay by becoming donors and then use the online offerings.

Most of their donors are older and primarily use the radio.

Most, but not all.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #33

Oh you mean unlike the login-wall they've put up for every article in the past two weeks? That open access? Edit: I'm pretty mad that every NYT link I've been clicking for what has felt like two weeks has asked me to login. I was forced to finally make an account. Screw that. I'd pay if you gave me an option that made sense. I'm not going to drop $500+/year to subscribe to all the places I read from when I only read…

Yep, like the LA Times, it looks like NYT is running this promo as a way to get people to create accounts and/or log in. Interestingly, I'm getting no registration request in Chrome, but I consistently get it in Firefox. I'm running different extensions in each, so it might not be the browser that is causing the behavior.

For the record, I don't mind paying for news, but I don't love the "freebie" tactic they're using here. If you want to activate/bolster your paywall, go for it. But don't try to cover it up with an election giveaway.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#79
post #33

Oh you mean unlike the login-wall they've put up for every article in the past two weeks? That open access? Edit: I'm pretty mad that every NYT link I've been clicking for what has felt like two weeks has asked me to login. I was forced to finally make an account. Screw that. I'd pay if you gave me an option that made sense. I'm not going to drop $500+/year to subscribe to all the places I read from when I only read…

>I'm not going to drop $500+/year to subscribe to all the places I read from when I only read what is posted on HN and Twitter.

Yikes, all your reading originates from posts on HN and TWTR? Seems like that gives you a limited view of the world, no?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #36

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex. Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

The Wikileaks DNC scandal has gotten a crazy amount of coverage, particularly given that we're in an election year.
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