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Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this. Why against hope?

It's an idiom [1]. [1] - http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hope+against+hope

I know that it is an idiom, I asking why he has no hope

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#112
This may be one of the most important things Apple has done. Whether or not you agree with their position, it's incredibly important that tech companies start publicly explaining things like the fundamental problems with backdoors so that a lay person can understand it. Apple have the credibility to make non-technical people take their argument seriously, and the reach to get the message out to a vast number of people. I'm really pleased they're taking this position.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#113
post #42

I'm really impressed that Apple is standing up to the government and protecting its users' rights. I've never really considered the iPhone worth the premium price tag, but policies like this have changed my mind. Could someone answer a question I have though? The government wants Apple to create this backdoor and tailor it to the specific device, so presumably it will have a line that goes if (!deviceID.equals("san_b…

Once they build that in for one device then they have opened pandora's box.

Then it becomes a precedent in the courts that Apple has this ability so they will issue court orders to make them comply for every single case where a phone is encrypted.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this. One thing I was wondering is how Apple is even able to create a backdoor. It is explained toward the end: "The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force…

With Google's Android, this issue will never arise because Android is open source. Any attempt to plant a backdoor will be outright monitored by the community.

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Re: A Message to Our Customers

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post #2

Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this. One thing I was wondering is how Apple is even able to create a backdoor. It is explained toward the end: "The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force…

Why wold Google and Facebook get behind this? They store their customers data in a way they can access and subsequently have to give it to persecuters when there's a court order

> Why wold Google and Facebook get behind this? They store their customers data in a way they can access and subsequently have to give it to persecuters when there's a court order

Exactly like Apple. Or do you think that the emails in iCloud are not given to the prosecutors?

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#116

This is interesting: "Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession." Am I reading this right? Apple, if they chose to, ca…

What I don't understand is why Apple could create such software but a hacker could not exploit it. I feel like that mean that there is already a backdoor.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#117
post #53

Link to the FBI order: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2714001/SB-Shoote... (Edit: deleted part where I was wrong. Thanks robbiet480 for correcting me. It's 2am here and I was tired.) Also, prediction: if Apple refuses to build a brute forcer, someone else will do it and sell it to the FBI. Just wait and watch.

iPhone brute force hardware already exists [1]. The issue is that when Touch ID and/or a passcode is enabled, the device locks itself for a few seconds-a few hours every time an incorrect pin is entered. So brute forcing would take an extremely long time. In addition, there is a setting on all iPhones to erase data after 10 failed pin code entry attempts. The FBI wants Apple to provide a custom iOS build that can be…

You are of course correct. I edited my comment.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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post #2

Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this. One thing I was wondering is how Apple is even able to create a backdoor. It is explained toward the end: "The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force…

What it sounds like is they've been asked to prepare a new OS release that allows an unlimited number of attempts to enter the passphrase via some network link. The press release is written to sound like without a software release, it wouldn't be possible to mount this kind of attack, however attacks like this are generally possible regardless of having some specially modified and signed OS image: for example, by cut…

It used to be possible to do what you describe (cutting power at the right moment) and there were even physical bruteforce devices built to implement this but it's all been hardened in iOS 8 and there are no currently known ways to bruteforce a passcode. Obviously there might theoretically exist a software bug to do so, but there's no information around and it sounds even FBI couldn't find it if it exists

Re: A Message to Our Customers

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an idiom [1]. [1] - http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hope+against+hope

I know that it is an idiom, I asking why he has no hope

From the link that was posted in reply to you, 'hope against hope' means 'to have hope even when the situation appears to be hopeless'. Which means he does have hope, even though the situation appears to be hopeless.
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