Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 176 posts

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#101

Post by AnkhMorporkian »

WalterGR wrote: post #78
AnkhMorporkian wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were that the case she wouldn't offer to drop her appeal for $2.7 million.

Her offering a high or higher number doesn't imply that she was only out for cash. Perhaps that amount was what she considered sufficient to punish KP appropriately. And for the record: Consider this statement as me playing the race card. But look: I wasn't on the jury, and I haven't reviewed the court records, and like everyone else here I'm playing armchair quarterback.

I'm not making any judgements on the case itself; I didn't follow it at all beyond blurbs I heard here on HN and on reddit. However, part of what I heard and just now validated is that $2.7 million is the exact amount that her husband owes in legal fees regarding that ponzi scheme he supposedly ran. If the numbers didn't match up exactly I might have a different reaction, but with that settlement amount it seems entirely pragmatic, not principled.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#102

Post by cactusface »

obstinate wrote: post #95
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's accurate. I rarely see women get "heat" on reddit but once someone identifies as a women they seem to get far more comments, many even sexual. I'd say women get hit on versus catching heat.

Dear lord. Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women? News flash: it ain't. If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays. If you have a problem with the politics of that group, you need not read the comments. Just peruse the linked posts. A pattern quickly begins to emerge.

I think he just means that sexual harassment is different from "heat", however you want to define that.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#103

Post by [deleted] »

codesushi42 wrote: post #80
acveilleux wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen 8chan and after that I do not yearn for a fully open Internet.

No one is forcing you go to (\d)chan. Hate speech is an easy target. But the censoring and anticompetitive practices have spread further than that. Google, Apple, Facebook, can change their ToS to bring down potential competitors. They can remove your app for any reason, block access to their APIs, and ban you for posting content that leads to your own external page. It's happened plenty, and Reddit is no exception.…

[deleted]

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#104

Post by codesushi42 »

MBCook wrote: post #99
codesushi42 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is forcing you go to (\d)chan. Hate speech is an easy target. But the censoring and anticompetitive practices have spread further than that. Google, Apple, Facebook, can change their ToS to bring down potential competitors. They can remove your app for any reason, block access to their APIs, and ban you for posting content that leads to your own external page. It's happened plenty, and Reddit is no exception.…

No, but 8chan reaches out to the real world and other forums and people end up receiving death threats. Makes it REALLY HARD to support anonymity online, as it often seems like more people get horribly harassed or SWATed than we get benefits from anonymous whistleblowers and such.

Sounds like the same argument that the threat of terrorism makes it really hard to support civil liberties and personal privacy. Same old rhetoric. Pretty scary that a growing number of people seem to share the same opinion.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#105

Post by hellbanTHIS »

gooeyblob wrote: post #39
arenaninja wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I wouldn't sign the petition and I don't care about her lawsuit or the recent subreddits that were banned, I'm turned off from reddit by their reaction to the fallout, particularly their fudging of the front page and /r/all and blocking comments mentioning an imgur alternative. I'm back to reading funnies from fark.com and now looking at voat.co. It's been a long time coming, longer than Pao has been CEO, and I…

Yeah I'd love to see the evidence there is any 'fudging' of the frontpage or blocking comments. I seriously doubt there is.

Last week /r/all/rising was mostly swastkas and dick pics with most of them going to a site called slimgur which they then supposedly shadow blocked.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#106

Post by toomuchtodo »

y2bd wrote: post #61
gavanwoolery wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can respect that - I never use Reddit's search function so I have been relatively unaware of that. I think the problem is that its almost impossible to police all of reddit - even if you shut down one thing (as we saw) 10 more pop up. Not sure there is a good solution, but the lesser of evils might be to just ignore the antagonists.

Given that /r/all currently has pretty much zero note of the crapshow from a couple days ago, I would think actually facing it and just bracing for a couple of days pays off a lot more than just ignoring it and letting it build up over time.

> Given that /r/all currently has pretty much zero note of the crapshow from a couple days ago, I would think actually facing it and just bracing for a couple of days pays off a lot more than just ignoring it and letting it build up over time.

A controlled burn of the forest if you will.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#107

Post by MBCook »

codesushi42 wrote: post #104
MBCook wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but 8chan reaches out to the real world and other forums and people end up receiving death threats. Makes it REALLY HARD to support anonymity online, as it often seems like more people get horribly harassed or SWATed than we get benefits from anonymous whistleblowers and such.

Sounds like the same argument that the threat of terrorism makes it really hard to support civil liberties and personal privacy. Same old rhetoric. Pretty scary that a growing number of people seem to share the same opinion.

I suppose you're right. I don't think I'd make the call to actually do it, but things have gotten so bad in the last year I'm just exasperated. And since law enforcement has been so apathetic/ineffective at dealing with even the most blatant cases that the negative externalities that would normally be there (arrests, social pressure, etc) can't seem to keep the dangerous behavior in check.

Don't know what else to do. Can't ignore it, and it's not getting better. Posting about how it's bad isn't useful/doesn't accomplish anything. Actively engaging has proven to very dangerous to people and doesn't seem to have helped.

Sometimes the call for censorship is a purposeful play to stamp out or control a group, sometimes it's just exasperation at a lack of any other idea of how to deal with a situation.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#108

Post by obstinate »

001sky wrote: post #96
obstinate wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so, SHE did not censor those posts. Nor did admins. Sub moderators did. I mean, it even says that in the news articles you posted. And who hates a woman because of something her husband did? That is just gross, medieval thinking.

You should probably check your facts on this.

I mean, I just read the news articles that that person posted. If you have evidence to the contrary of these stories, by all means bring it to light.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#109

Post by _s »

From the prosecution:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1672...

From the defence:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/25617...

--- Personal opinion below ----

Not necessarily relevant (I believe it is) but provides some more of a background is her husband (whom she married in 2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher.

Why it's relevant in my opinion? An old saying translates to something along the lines of "you are the sum of who support, live, work and play with", which I find tends to hold very true.

From what I've read, but haven't been able to look up sources (someone else might chip in here) - her demands for payment (settlements) have always equated to exactly or greater than the sums owed by both her and her husband to their respective creditors.

Edit: I believe she was discriminated against for not being a reliable/honest/good person to work with, not because of her gender.

2nd Edit: Having thought about it, I now agree with /u/obstinate below moreso - her husbands dealings have nothing to do with her. We only know of our partners doings from our partners themselves, so we can't truly be objective and tend to err on the side of trust and loyalty.

She felt as if she was discriminated against, so he likely supported her in her lawsuit. He's lost his business and a home, so of course she'll do what she can to support him.

I still reserve my personal opinion against both, as others will do from reading this against me. I'm leaving my original comment and edit for context.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#110

Post by hoopd »

cjensen wrote: post #66
atorralb wrote: post #51

One thing is for sure, Ellen Pao is not liked in Reddit.

Because of the ban on groups which actively harass others? Or is there another reason?

The argument is that the moderation policies are selectively enforced in order to shape the prevailing ideologies expressed on the website.

Reddit's response is that it isn't "safe" and they want to make it that way. If you've been labeled as somebody who makes the site "unsafe" your actions are assumed to be those of an aggressor and an oppressor. If you're somebody trying to make the site "safe" even when you cross the line you're viewed as an oppressed person fighting back.

It's an intentionally uneven playing field and the people it's slanted against aren't happy about it.

Post reply on HN