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Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by tehaugmenter » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:35 PM UTC

avinassh wrote: post #92

RealGeek wrote: post #10

Uber is not being banned just because of this rape incident. Uber did not following Indian laws & Delhi transport regulations, and operated illegally under the radar. Before this incident, Delhi Government was not aware about how Uber operated. This incident prompted Indian authorities to investigate the operations of Uber. Uber's stance is that we are not a taxi company, we are an app company; so we do not need to f…

> The alleged driver had previously served 7 months in prison for rape charges, that didn't stop Uber from recruiting him. mostly because he had No Objection Certificate from Delhi Police itself [0] that his history is clean? EDIT: This image could be fake too, I can't trust our Indian media houses either :| [0] - http://i.imgur.com/rwjhHBq.jpg source of [0] - https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/541885210573275136

Looks like a lazy cop issue is underway in the Delhi Police Department.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by adhipg » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:38 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #93

ignoramous wrote: post #49

I've said it elsewhere too [0], and I say it again... There's no doubt that Uber is on a free ride in India. If they can bully their way in the US, and not care about law and regulations there, then they have absolutely nothing to worry about in India. The law enforcement is weak, to say the least. * Uber's customer service is a disgrace. I've tried contacting them 4 times for different issues ranging from bugs in th…

How do you pay Uber in India? Did you make a deposit, or is this on a credit card? I don't know the credit card rules in India, but in USA there's no way I would have ended up paying Uber's self-serving "fine".

You could pay with a normal credit card (like everywhere else) up to the 1st of Dec.

Reserve Bank of India has a rule about all CC transactions needing 2FA and Uber wasn't complying with it. They recently shifted to a prepaid wallet mechanism to do payments.

There's very little awareness around the fact that you can dispute credit-card transactions in India.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by RealGeek » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:41 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #95

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #78

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I wouldn't hire George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson for any job.

If I were in a position to hire/not hire those characters, I would definitely stipulate that they may not bring a gun to work...

Would you hire them to look after black kids?

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by avalaunch » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

mike_hearn wrote: post #65

what_ever wrote: post #54

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It seems to be doing okay with other cabs which have been operating for much longer.

Can you provide evidence for that? It seems common sense that a GPS unit, even one that cannot be disabled, would only be useful as evidence to follow up on after an alleged crime took place. I don't see any way to use it to prevent a crime happening in the first place.

Knowing that there will be evidence to follow up on after a crime is committed is often enough to deter the crime from being committed.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #97

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #80

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In a purely mathematical sense, its advantageous to dismiss candidates with any defect or suspected defect. At least when there is an endless supply. The trouble with discrimination is, it works so well.

@tomp > even though the underlying mathematical principles are the same. Don't hire a man because he could be a rapist? OK. Don't hire a woman because she might give birth? Outrageous. Yeah, one is not hiring someone who forces and hurts people for his sexual pleasure, the other is not hiring someone giving birth, something we celebrate, and helps human society continue existing. I don't even know what "the underlyin…

Oh for goodness sake. The point was, as an employer or potential partner, you want someone who will be effective in that role. Whilst being distracted would be a negative, regardless of the reason for that distraction. Not a moral argument; a statistical one as stated - avoid anyone with any chance of distraction is a valid game-theory strategy.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by ajkjk » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

dethstar wrote: post #74

lettergram wrote: post #59

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I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported), rather, there was not enough evidence to convict. I would still argue that there is a high amount of under-reporting because people are embarrassed, just want to put it behind them, etc. However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. Specifically,…

>I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported) They were saying it is a generally under-reported crime. Saying that there was 706 reported cases doesn't change anything. https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-r... Overall, your "feel" about a large number of reported cases being skewed are nothing but a feel. Proves nothing.

It's insane to discredit a valid point for being 'nothing but a feel'. You don't know if it's nothing or not. OP doesn't claim to prove anything and anyone reading can see that.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by Retra » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

rmc wrote: post #91

pc86 wrote: post #90

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> there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice it You're exactly right. So the question becomes, "Is it better to disqualify applicants based on accusation alone, knowing that you'll disqualify some number of innocent people, or is it better to screen on convictions alone, knowing that you could possibly not screen out some guilty folks you otherwise would?"

You can go better than "accusation". Anyone could accuse anyone of anything. But you could set the bar in the middle with "arrested", which is half way between "accusation" and "conviction".

No it's not. Arrests can happen for only an accusation, or even less in some cases.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by krisgenre » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #93

ignoramous wrote: post #49

I've said it elsewhere too [0], and I say it again... There's no doubt that Uber is on a free ride in India. If they can bully their way in the US, and not care about law and regulations there, then they have absolutely nothing to worry about in India. The law enforcement is weak, to say the least. * Uber's customer service is a disgrace. I've tried contacting them 4 times for different issues ranging from bugs in th…

How do you pay Uber in India? Did you make a deposit, or is this on a credit card? I don't know the credit card rules in India, but in USA there's no way I would have ended up paying Uber's self-serving "fine".

Uber got into trouble with RBI by charging a credit card directly. They then resorted to using a third party service called Paytm.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by fragsworth » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

rmc wrote: post #91

pc86 wrote: post #90

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> there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice it You're exactly right. So the question becomes, "Is it better to disqualify applicants based on accusation alone, knowing that you'll disqualify some number of innocent people, or is it better to screen on convictions alone, knowing that you could possibly not screen out some guilty folks you otherwise would?"

You can go better than "accusation". Anyone could accuse anyone of anything. But you could set the bar in the middle with "arrested", which is half way between "accusation" and "conviction".

That's not really in the middle. The only difference between "accused" and "arrested" is that the accuser told the police.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by kaitai » Mon, Dec 08, 2014, 4:43 PM UTC

lettergram wrote: post #59

awinder wrote: post #33

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/10/delhi-rape-one-conv... Of 706 reported rape cases, 1 lead to an actual conviction. So you have an under-reported category of crime which is irregularly prosecuted. There's obvious ethical issues with denying jobs to people based on accusation rather than conviction, but in a society with a broken justice system surrounding that, there's ethical dilemmas no matter how you slice…

I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported), rather, there was not enough evidence to convict. I would still argue that there is a high amount of under-reporting because people are embarrassed, just want to put it behind them, etc. However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. Specifically,…

I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman was raped, it is certainly still an issue whether Uber can legally cover its ass or not.

It is unfortunate how popular your opinion is among young men: rape really isn't an issue; lots of "angry ex-girlfriends" and "intoxication" skewing those reports (factually incorrect, my friend). Being raped really sucks and is a continuing issue for those who experience it and those around them.