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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#101

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

Humans are imperfect, they will buy drugs and try them. I don't recommend it or want people around me to but stopping them with force and violence is the same black/white problems we have all the time.

Dishonesty? Being dishonest is having the attitude like your position isn't directly creating armies/cartels to be more powerful and concentrated. Which is a bigger problem to you, 'dishonesty' about medical marijuana or active cartel creation? According to your logic, the violence/mafias of the prohibition era were caused by the people wanting a drink and to have fun. There was nothing wrong with that if done safely, it was made unsafe by policy and created more problems than it solved and a bigger problem than the initial problem.

Yes the medical marijuana thing is mostly people wanting to smoke weed but there is also actual patients of it. If you were in immense pain everyday and didn't want to eat or smile... sorry, @paulhauggis doesn't want you to smoke a joint grandma because you are being 'dishonest' about it. Grandma just wanted to be happy but I guess she has to be in pain first.

The first person to buy marijuana in Washington was a 60+ year old lady -- a grandma -- she said it made her happy (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024022679_storesopen...). The first person in Colorado was a soldier back from Iraq who had PTSD (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/01/sean-azzariti-marij...). I guess they are both 'dishonest'.

I didn't want to get into this but, a large majority of Americans have smoked marijuana. As our police and oversight get better or more militarized and everything is tracked, we are going to have to man up and remove laws that are silly and harmful. We don't want to ruin college kids lives or take grandma's plants from her and throw her in jail.

In prohibition you had to get alcohol from an illegal bar or from the mafia, was that a better situation? That is what we have now with weed that grandma and possibly your kids in college want to smoke and nothing you do will stop them, not even force/laws/shaming. But you can make it safer where people slip up. What we need is to man up and deal with that reality and create structures to help people, and most importantly, reduce the concentration of funds going to cartels. Even if legal and the cartels turn into corporations that is better than black market/highly armed operations to fight the War against them.

Your xenophobia about the 'dishonesty' of it is the problem creating a war south of the border. It will continue as your attitude is prevalent as the US sees black and white not gray which it really is.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#102

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

What does "reversing course" mean? It seems to me that these are markets that build up in response to our declaration of contraband. Do you think that the U.S.A. should simply legalize some fixed subset of all drugs, or just say, "is it a chemical that some portion of our public urged their congressmen to take action on because our kids were doing it behind the school? If so, OK!" Even the definition of "legalize" se…

...where...can we find existing models of legalization along with which there is no market that incentivizes drug-related criminal behavior?

I hear Portugal has had decent results.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#103
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The CIA working with cartels abroad is not mere rumor. There is substantial evidence that this takes place. Unfortunately, nobody in this world has the combination of power, opportunity, and desire to take the CIA down for its crimes. They are the closest thing to a god that has ever existed; and organization that is profoundly beyond the grasp of society at large. They smite as they see fit, and there is nothing tha…

This is the funniest shit I've ever heard in my life. The CIA that can't run human intelligence worth shit from Amman to Kabul? The CIA that took 10 years to find Bin Laden after being led around by the nose by the ISI (_nath dalna_, as they say in Urdu/Hindi)?

Mother of all selection biases. We only know their failures. Their victories, by definition, are unknown to us.

In what possible scenario could we ever hope to learn the full extent of their crimes? Intelligence agencies burn their records when they are threatened. The Stasi had to destroy paper records, which they failed to do rapidly enough to prevent the public from physically seizing them. The CIA watched this happen. They learned from those mistakes. And this time, only encryption keys need to be shredded to put those documents beyond our reach.

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Oh, I read it. I read it again to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. How exactly does it prevent Alice from being tortured? How does it prevent the torturer from using game theory to entice her to give up the "correct" password from the jump? I'm not being rhetorical... if I'm missing it, please help me understand.

It's in section 4.3: 4.3 Persistent Attacks Consider a scenario with panic communication and a persistent adversary with goal . In addition, preventing both signals and screens is important. Working Example: Consider the previously defined improper influence problem in Internet-based voting. Alice could be coerced by Oscar into voting a certain way. Alternatively, Alice may want to sell her vote to Oscar by casting h…

I must be totally dense because I am not understanding this at all. As an example, the security system in my home has a duress code that I can enter which disarms the alarm while silently alerting the authorities that my duress code has been entered. In most cases, this is probably sufficient. However, for certain adversaries who are aware that a duress code exists, they could make the "bargain" with me that if I enter a duress code, they will murder the rest of my family. They might not know that my duress code has been entered, but if the authorities come poking around, they will know.

So, in Alice's case, she gets kidnapped. The attackers are aware that she might have a duress code. They tell her that if she enters the duress code, her entire family will be murdered. If Alice lives in an area where authorities are in bed with and inseparable from the criminal element, is she going to take the risk that the authorities are alerted?

If we are talking about a panic code which erases all information on the phone, do you not think that the same bargain can be applied? In fact, such a system might get innocent people murdered and needlessly tortured since, if someone is suspected of having sensitive information - but actually don't - the attacker might get the idea that a duress or panic code was entered which deleted said information.

In any case, it doesn't seem like encryption is going to save people from real harm.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#106

When can we stop the madness and regulate drugs rather than criminalizing them? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition?? In a time when so many people are aware of the limitations of government why do so many people think that we're going to resolve the drug problems with more government in the form courts and prisons. We're just creating a market opportunity for the cartels by inflating prices and turning their c…

Are you suggesting that we legalise everything that is currently illegal, so that we would have no need to prohibit anything and turn nobody into criminals? We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

>We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

like a government sponsored drone-strike-for-sale hotline? put the hitmen out of business with pure capitalism and good old legal (international) murder.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#107

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> Fix the corruption..and you fix the cartel issue.

You have the cause and effect inverted. Everyone has a price. The reason there is so much corruption in Mexico is that we've made corruption so profitable.

> If I were the cartels, I would continue selling my product, this time legal (similar to how companies are outsourcing to China..drug companies will outsource to Mexico). My power would continue or increase, because I could just buy off any cop and/or government official and the violence would continue (ruling by fear).

If drugs were legalized then competition would increase and drive down margins. Meanwhile the government would collect taxes, preventing the lower margins from actually lowering prices and increasing demand. All of which means less money for the cartels.

> It will be taxed and regulated, which means much higher prices. Many people won't want to pay those higher prices and there will still be a demand for a black market (just like software and music piracy).

Tax evasion is a felony. The cost of continually having your employees arrested and assets seized can easily exceed the cost of just paying the taxes (which is kind of the idea).

The sensible thing to do with drugs is to make possession legal but impose high taxes and then significant fines and mandatory rehab for using drugs or being high in any public place. Meanwhile use 100% of the money from the taxes and fines for anti-drug campaigns and free rehab for anyone who wants it and otherwise doing whatever possible to encourage people to voluntarily give up drug use.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

#108
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CIA working with cartels abroad is not mere rumor. There is substantial evidence that this takes place. Unfortunately, nobody in this world has the combination of power, opportunity, and desire to take the CIA down for its crimes. They are the closest thing to a god that has ever existed; and organization that is profoundly beyond the grasp of society at large. They smite as they see fit, and there is nothing tha…

The CIA must be the most organized part of our government to carry on decades long conspiracies and liaise with every nefarious group in the world! If only they could redirect some of this management "excellence" to the more deserving and productive areas of the government that could actually use it. I just highly doubt the effectiveness and existence of any long running conspiracy. See: http://www.thisisnotaconspira…

> "decades long conspiracies and liaise with every nefarious group in the world!"

I made no such claim. There is much that the CIA is not involved with. Clearly you have zero interest in civil discourse, so take your strawmen and fuck off.

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#109
post #76

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Why can't mexico be occupied by foreign forces? Because there isn't natural resources for the liberators to pay themselves with?

We have quite an amount of oil. But that oil will continue to be sold to the U.S. (and others) regardless of what happens with the cartels or to the people of Mexico (Short of a revolution, I suppose). In fact, in recent years, reforms have been passed to make it easier for foreign companies to get involved in oil extraction in Mexico. Given that, there is very little incentive to send an occupation force in order to…

Has that ever turned out well in recent memory?

Yes - UN peacekeepers do have a positive effect. They just don't hit the news much because they're not dramatically beating their chests about it and bragging about how big their guns are. They're not perfect, but they're certainly better than just leaving things be.

Have a poke around here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_Nations_peac...

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CIA working with cartels abroad is not mere rumor. There is substantial evidence that this takes place. Unfortunately, nobody in this world has the combination of power, opportunity, and desire to take the CIA down for its crimes. They are the closest thing to a god that has ever existed; and organization that is profoundly beyond the grasp of society at large. They smite as they see fit, and there is nothing tha…

> Unfortunately, nobody in this world has the combination of power, opportunity, and desire to take the CIA down for its crimes. That's assuming they are something like a rogue agent, and not a coherent part of an overall national strategy (not for the common folks of course).

Black budgets alone are enough to make them a rogue agent for all practical intents and purposes.

How do you audit an organization like the CIA without the CIA's cooperation? In order to audit the CIA you must first trust the CIA, but the purpose of the audit would be to establish trust in the first place.

Trust of the CIA cannot be bootstrapped. They cannot be audited without trust. Since we cannot trust them, it would be foolish to believe that they are subservient to us.

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