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Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Your comment is circular reasoning. GP says "they have no reason to mug me", and you say "they're mugging you because they're mugging you".

GP says "they uave no reason to mug me" Reply says "do the muggers know that? They mug people, and they might not know that an iPhone X is worthless to them" That's not circular.

They don't know it now, but eventually people will figure out that they're impossible to fence.

You're lowering the reward while holding the risk constant. As technology makes the street value of stolen items lower and lower, eventually street robbery will be less attractive.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #63

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Connections-rich: father knows the mayor. Money rich: can hire a good lawyer. (The lawyer knows the mayor.) The rich kids don't have to mess with cops. The cops know not to mess with them.

If we're talking very rich, there shouldn't be too many of them. I mean, how many people know the mayor? This isn't even a class. Still doesn't add up to me.

Well, I am not sure what very rich are. I am quite not sure of the definition of rich. Let's say privileged people.

For instance, if you want to have degree in order to practice accountability or being a pharmacist, or being notaire, or being a lawyer then you need a practical internship. Since there is a limited amount of position offered, then being a «son of a» de facto gives you some priviledges that will translate in real money.

Since the state regulates these liberal professions there income are guaranteed to be above the average (given some conditions that are too long to detail, but noticeable).

So it is very tough to distinguish privileges and wealth.

I cannot measure if I am right so it is pure speculation of me. I can actually say I experienced these situations at first and second order. However I cannot say if it is that important in both frequency and impact as I claim it to be.

I am very close to hasty generalisation fallacy because it is hard to be objective when you measure the system in which you are. My point of view is not neutral at all, all the more I feel emotionally involved as an actor in what I describe. I chose to run away instead of being either the victim or the bullier (I came sadly to be both at some point but not enough to feel sad for anyone).

However, I am totally fine with my biases. Although sometimes when I tell these stories, I wonder if I am suffering of delusion because it is not my actual reality at all and it feels so impossible.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #67

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I understand that not everyone lives the same kind of life, so have a look at this - it's full of seemingly inane or useless skills some consider basic life skills: http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Gentleman-2nd-Edition/dp/16... I'm interested in these things because I can't predict the future, but like to prepare for it. Also because knowing how to mix a drink or who composed Peter and the Wolf makes for interesting…

Basic life skills for the upper crust, coasting through life on privilege and shibboleth. Statistically speaking, not interesting or relevant to almost anyone, and a net drag on society in general.

Upper crust?!? Dude you have no idea. But thanks, I'll take this as a compliment.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #92

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They do different crimes, but not all crimes are not sanctionned the same. For all day life crime, if you are kid from a «famous person» you can try to get off the hook by invoking your relationships. (Jean Pierre Pernaud's kid (a famous TV anchor) tried it while speeding on an highway at 190km/h where it was limited at 90km/h. (that was what a local police guy said while sharing a beer. He may have lied, but this st…

You have to get to be a journalist in France? Can't you just, well, write? Falling back to a blog if necessary.

The first asset for publishing is reputation and credibility.

People do publish http://www.bondyblog.fr/ (bondy are not the only one, but the most famous).

And they show the positive side of our place: creativity, openness, intiative.

And it is cool. They just don't have any audience.

When something happens, google news never index their point of view as relevant for you, nor do the journalists ask them to publish except some confidential alterweb media (like rue89/mediapart/indimedia).

It is fun that the social fracture also affects google algorithms.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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> I quite loaded the end of my description so that you have an overview of how the conflict in Israel can spread to other cities in Europa. Wow. How do you manage to bring Israel into this is beyond my comprehension. 1. can you please describe the mechanism by which the Israeli conflict "spreads" ? 2. Gaza is not a ghetto of Israel, and Gazans are not Israeli citizens. 3. Israel has people of all colors and even thou…

"and Gazans are not Israeli citizens" And what country are they citizens of? Does that country provide them with freedom of unmolested cross-border travel, commerce and stuff? Unless there's a clear answer to those questions Israel is going to be a poster country with ghetto problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_State_of_Palestine

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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It might be worth adding [2004] to the title? My wife and I were just in Warsaw for a few weeks, in the exact region he described, and we saw no signs of crime to speak of. We saw very few police out and about, just the occasional uniformed officer at a metro station.

He does say "This riverside park doesn't figure much in Warsaw criminal lore" at the start of the second paragraph.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #86

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Don't worry, the thugs who rob you are so smart and tech-savvy that they already know how to unlock the iPhones and drain your card in minutes. ...Or, they have no fucking clue and will just take everything you have on you because they're mugging you :-)

Your comment is circular reasoning. GP says "they have no reason to mug me", and you say "they're mugging you because they're mugging you".

What I mean is that they've already decided to mug you, they'll take that phone whether it's locked or not, whether they know it or not ("maybe we can get our computer guy to unlock it!").

On the other hand, having the phone send out photos and GPS coordinates is a much better idea, and it's been proven to work.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

Are we now all supposed to google for whatever the heck "banlieue" or "la BAC" is supposed to mean? :D

Yes. Being able to find things out for oneself is useful.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #107

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Your comment is circular reasoning. GP says "they have no reason to mug me", and you say "they're mugging you because they're mugging you".

What I mean is that they've already decided to mug you, they'll take that phone whether it's locked or not, whether they know it or not ( "maybe we can get our computer guy to unlock it!" ). On the other hand, having the phone send out photos and GPS coordinates is a much better idea, and it's been proven to work.

Sure, in this specific instance, they may do that. However, after stealing phones that turn out to be unusable (and pretty much something that will lead the police right to them), they will stop mugging people.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #11

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Yeah that's Sweden for you. Actually recently the cops have been told not to engage when a crime is occurring, and instead just to take notes. They don't want riots. A week ago a riot occurred in Rinkeby (islamic enclave) when a cop stopped a speeding car.

wow really? Strange that there has been no reporting of this "riot" from last week. Islamic enclave? are you actually being serious? there are people from many backgrounds there, yes a large portion seem to be Muslim but calling it an Islamic enclave is preposterous and just gives away your real motivation

>>Strange that there has been no reporting of this "riot" from last week

Literally 10 seconds with Google:

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/200-i-rinkebyupplopp-polis-skadad-av-...

(The publication date is "2014-07-24 08:31". ~ A week ago.)

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