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Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

> I quite loaded the end of my description so that you have an overview of how the conflict in Israel can spread to other cities in Europa.

Wow. How do you manage to bring Israel into this is beyond my comprehension. 1. can you please describe the mechanism by which the Israeli conflict "spreads" ? 2. Gaza is not a ghetto of Israel, and Gazans are not Israeli citizens. 3. Israel has people of all colors and even though there are poor cities and rich cities, but nothing like what you have in Paris.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

"Rich kids are out of reach of the law" Why is that, I wonder? Most rich kids still don't have enough leverage to mess with a cop, do they? How rich are we talking?

They do different crimes, but not all crimes are not sanctionned the same.

For all day life crime, if you are kid from a «famous person» you can try to get off the hook by invoking your relationships. (Jean Pierre Pernaud's kid (a famous TV anchor) tried it while speeding on an highway at 190km/h where it was limited at 90km/h. (that was what a local police guy said while sharing a beer. He may have lied, but this story even if it false is so close to what people feel that I can accept it as true enough)).

For free loading in transport you can get annoyed (a 5$ crime). For forgetting to pay wages or bills, not enforcing the basics of security in your activity or even forgetting to pay social charges(count in k$), even if you are caught on the spots you will be hardly annoyed and humilated.

They are poor's crimes and rich's crimes (that cost more to the collectivity).

A white business man not respecting the law using like being a proven spammer (artprice) and exploiting his salarymen is an exemple to the society. An arab business man providing good weed and exploiting his «cousins» is a criminal. Drug dealers at the bottom of the hierarchy are paid like at the minimum rate regarding the risks taken.

Since the pushers are coloured and there is quite a discrimination, thus the society makes it easier for the kingpin to have cheap dedicated workforce. Business is business, not a charitative association. And the rules of business applies all alike. You cant get rich without capital and Income And fiscal evasion is not sanctionned on the long run if you accept to finally pay your due: fiscal administration will consent to close their eyes on some points.

Fiscal inequality is at its top. VAT makes it hard for people not to be taxed, and this is the biggest origin of taxes. On the other hand fiscal laws makes it easier for the richer to evade the taxes on income and patrimonial.

The poor get poorer and more subject to social violence, while rich get richer and more subject to physical violence. In a closed system if you compress a part, the compression has to propagate somewhere.

Btw, the system is truly meritocratic. To get to be a journalist you have very fair selection after highschool.

But oddly enough «sectorisation of the school maps» make it harder for poor kids to reach the good high schools that are statistically bound to be able to reach the «entry level» of the honestly fairly selective meritocratic system. I don't say you can't be successful. I just say a system is unfair when some kids begins life with a 10 kg loaded bag, and others none and you are being required to first do 42km under a chrono before beginning to compete a fair competition.

That may explain why the journalists that are scared of going beyond the «périphérique» (the border of Paris) often (not always) makes it look like this place is another planet when they write articles. It is quite tragically comic to read their papers.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #92

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"Rich kids are out of reach of the law" Why is that, I wonder? Most rich kids still don't have enough leverage to mess with a cop, do they? How rich are we talking?

They do different crimes, but not all crimes are not sanctionned the same. For all day life crime, if you are kid from a «famous person» you can try to get off the hook by invoking your relationships. (Jean Pierre Pernaud's kid (a famous TV anchor) tried it while speeding on an highway at 190km/h where it was limited at 90km/h. (that was what a local police guy said while sharing a beer. He may have lied, but this st…

You have to get to be a journalist in France? Can't you just, well, write? Falling back to a blog if necessary.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Rich kids are out of reach of the law" Why is that, I wonder? Most rich kids still don't have enough leverage to mess with a cop, do they? How rich are we talking?

They do different crimes, but not all crimes are not sanctionned the same. For all day life crime, if you are kid from a «famous person» you can try to get off the hook by invoking your relationships. (Jean Pierre Pernaud's kid (a famous TV anchor) tried it while speeding on an highway at 190km/h where it was limited at 90km/h. (that was what a local police guy said while sharing a beer. He may have lied, but this st…

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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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4 on 1 is not a good place to be, indeed. It's preferable to being on the ground with multiple attackers, but that's another story. Search Youtube for "krav maga multiple attackers". It's not easy, but with some training it's not difficult either. Another good point you make - sparring is nothing like the real thing. Totally agree. You can train for that too though, and there are a number of good techniques to prepar…

> 4 on 1 is not a good place to be, indeed. It's preferable to being on the ground with multiple attackers, but that's another story. Search Youtube for "krav maga multiple attackers". It's not easy, but with some training it's not difficult either. Dude, please don't say that. Maybe someone who has trained at least for ten years could handle a 4 vs 1 fight. Maybe. And never with 100% probability of winning. If you a…

Of course. Sorry. Stupid me, I should know it's not possible. What an idiot, huh?

Hey did you do the search on YouTube? Guess not. Sergei and Larry should've just given up too. They were told search is a dead end. They were also super stupid, not listening to people who totally knew better...

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#96
post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

> I quite loaded the end of my description so that you have an overview of how the conflict in Israel can spread to other cities in Europa. Wow. How do you manage to bring Israel into this is beyond my comprehension. 1. can you please describe the mechanism by which the Israeli conflict "spreads" ? 2. Gaza is not a ghetto of Israel, and Gazans are not Israeli citizens. 3. Israel has people of all colors and even thou…

"and Gazans are not Israeli citizens"

And what country are they citizens of? Does that country provide them with freedom of unmolested cross-border travel, commerce and stuff?

Unless there's a clear answer to those questions Israel is going to be a poster country with ghetto problems.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Eh, not necessarily. I have an iOS 7 iPhone with a PIN and Find my iPhone; it has no resale value without my AppleID password, which is necessary to wipe the device. My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled. There is really no incentive to rob me on the street unless I'm carrying my laptop, but I'm pretty conservative about where/when I do that. We can certainly lo…

Don't worry, the thugs who rob you are so smart and tech-savvy that they already know how to unlock the iPhones and drain your card in minutes. ...Or, they have no fucking clue and will just take everything you have on you because they're mugging you :-)

Your comment is circular reasoning. GP says "they have no reason to mug me", and you say "they're mugging you because they're mugging you".

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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post #36
post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

Are we now all supposed to google for whatever the heck "banlieue" or "la BAC" is supposed to mean? :D

No, of course not. Anyone writing a comment should only use words everyone that is ever going to see the comment already knows.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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If you're learning martial arts for self-defense in 21'st century you're wasting your time. Your karate skills won't help vs someone with a led pipe, crowbar or a knife. Just get a gun and get it over with.

Maybe exaggerating? Martial arts vs lead pipe can be very effective. Likewise crowbar. Knife - everybody gets hurt but you can still 'win'.

Crow bar is a long range weapon, so get in close. Knife is probably the most difficult to defend against - certainly more so than a gun.

I did this exercise once, where my training partner held a paintball gun a couple inches from my chest. My job was to disarm him without getting shot. His job was to shoot as soon as he saw me move. It took five attempts before I got it. And getting hit at that range is a great incentive - all we had on was a facemask and overalls over shorts and a t-shirt.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

#100
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, the thugs who rob you are so smart and tech-savvy that they already know how to unlock the iPhones and drain your card in minutes. ...Or, they have no fucking clue and will just take everything you have on you because they're mugging you :-)

Your comment is circular reasoning. GP says "they have no reason to mug me", and you say "they're mugging you because they're mugging you".

GP says "they uave no reason to mug me"

Reply says "do the muggers know that? They mug people, and they might not know that an iPhone X is worthless to them"

That's not circular.

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