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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by sgift » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:17 PM UTC

voicereasonish wrote: post #92

Karunamon wrote: post #83

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>The amount of money wasted in translating every document into every language alone is idiotic. Because fuck those people who don't speak a certain language, amirite? As someone from the US, some nanny-statism I dislike aside, I am very, very jealous of what the EU's getting done. They don't let corporations walk all over them, possible waste and bureaucracy issues aside.

> Because fuck those people who don't speak a certain language, amirite? No, because it shows how idiotic the EU is to start with. Trying to create laws that fit all countries, and then translating them into every language is just a silly waste of money. OK, another example for you: The parliament MOVES from Brussels to Strasburg EACH MONTH!!! (From wikipedia) - "Each month, the EP moves back and forth to meet the EU…

That people feel better. Many things the EU does are about the feelings of people. I know, we are all rational beings and so on, we should just stop our feelings and get on with it. But that doesn't work. And because it doesn't work we don't say "English is our language from now on. You don't want that? Sucks to be you" and because of that the parliament moves between two cities.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by oneandoneis2 » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

Svip wrote: post #73

Systemic33 wrote: post #17

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And some of them are still culturally at war ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Sweden_relation...

Fun fact: People usually think that Britain and France has been most at war with one another, but Denmark and Sweden has actually been more at war (at least in terms of unique wars)[0]. Here is a non-exhaustive list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dano-Swedish_war [0] The Hundred Years' War sort of ruins the statistics in terms of years at war.

That's as maybe, but we hate the French more than Denmark &Sweden hate each other! :P

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by Pxtl » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:19 PM UTC

Svip wrote: post #74

mercurial wrote: post #30

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I don't know. Danish news always go "X is bad in Denmark. Meanwhile, X is really good in Sweden."

There used to be two ways to argue for a law proposal in Folketinget (Danish parliament): "According to science, ..." and "in Sweden, they have..."

As a North American, hearing that the two leading arguments are scientific basis and copying other country's successful programs makes me disgusted with my own politicians.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by forgottenpass » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:19 PM UTC

voicereasonish wrote: post #91

M2Ys4U wrote: post #85

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> The EU has only existed for a couple of decades. To suggest that the EU is a reason we haven't had any wars recently is ridiculous. You don't go to war with your major trading partners, it would be economic suicide. Of course, the EU isn't the only reason why there hasn't been (more) war, but it's a significant contributing factor along with organisations like NATO. >From regulations on fruit Ugh. I wish people wou…

> You may be waiting a lot longer than you think. No, I won't. The public is overwhelmingly hostile, and demands a say in who is creating our laws. There will be an absolute landslide victory for UKIP in the may elections, and the government will have to take note. If around 80% want to withdraw from Europe, you're going to have to do what they want at some point. The public will demand we govern ourselves rather tha…

No, I won't. The public is overwhelmingly hostile, and demands a say.

As an outside observer from another continent, pitching the idea of an in-out referendum struck me more like your politicians simultaneously punting and pandering on the issue without actually caring to leave the EU. Especially considering that your current government refused to even try and make the referendum happen unless you reelect them first. The further you get from the 2008 economic meltdown the less you'll care to leave the EU and they know it.

I just checked the polling and even though a few years ago there was a 25 percentage point lean towards leaving, it's declined over the years and I'm completely unsurprised to see today that in March opinion has started leaning towards staying.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:25 PM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #53

madaxe_again wrote: post #26

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The EU was born out of the EC, which was born out of the EEC, which was born out of ECSC (European Coal and Steel Community). The entire concept of the EU is that a straightforward homogenous marketplace engenders trade which in turn engenders peace, as attacking your trading partners is rarely a beneficial move. Nuclear weapons and MAD were extant before the EEC and throughout its existence, and have not played a ro…

Come on, that's a silly thing to say, everyone's empires were significantly dismantled after WW2. It's easy not to fight when there's nothing to fight over and you've got a massive bear beating at the door. I'm not claiming the EU's done nothing, I think it's made Europe richer, increased growth, etc., I'm claiming the EU had nothing to do with peace in Europe. Europe would still be at peace today with or without a c…

> Which developed nations have gone to war with each other since WW2?

Yugoslavia on the one side and NATO on the other. Like, twice. (And those may have started as internal Yugoslav conflicts, but then, WW1 started as an internal Austro-Hungarian conflict, too.)

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:30 PM UTC

sgift wrote: post #101

voicereasonish wrote: post #92

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> Because fuck those people who don't speak a certain language, amirite? No, because it shows how idiotic the EU is to start with. Trying to create laws that fit all countries, and then translating them into every language is just a silly waste of money. OK, another example for you: The parliament MOVES from Brussels to Strasburg EACH MONTH!!! (From wikipedia) - "Each month, the EP moves back and forth to meet the EU…

That people feel better. Many things the EU does are about the feelings of people. I know, we are all rational beings and so on, we should just stop our feelings and get on with it. But that doesn't work. And because it doesn't work we don't say "English is our language from now on. You don't want that? Sucks to be you" and because of that the parliament moves between two cities.

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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by Morgawr » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:30 PM UTC

ErikHuisman wrote: post #71

rvschuilenburg wrote: post #63

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That is correct. In The Netherlands we already have net neutrality, but this hasn't stopped the Pirate Bay from being blocked. However, try to prove to a judge the entire protocol is illegal and should be blocked.

Initially the court decided that blocking all subscribers went too far but BREIN wasn’t satisfied and took the case to a full trial, which they won. Both Ziggo and XS4ALL filed subsequent appeals, arguing that the blockade was ineffective and denied subscribers’ free access to information. Today the Court of The Hague released its verdict which sides with the Internet providers. In its ruling the Court states that th…

These are great "news" (quotes cause they aren't exactly.. new) which I didn't know before. As an expat living in Amsterdam, it makes me happy, thanks for sharing!

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by malka » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:37 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #103

Svip wrote: post #74

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There used to be two ways to argue for a law proposal in Folketinget (Danish parliament): "According to science, ..." and "in Sweden, they have..."

As a North American, hearing that the two leading arguments are scientific basis and copying other country's successful programs makes me disgusted with my own politicians.

I'm french, and I feel the same way.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by briandh » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:41 PM UTC

johansch wrote: post #57

Here's a kind of sickening statement: '"Europe's telecoms operators are facing decreasing revenues ... compared with operators in the U.S. and Asia," said the GSM Association, an industry group for mobile phone companies. In a statement signed by director Anne Bouverot, the group said European laws are "impairing their ability to invest in the infrastructure required to put Europe back on the path to growth and jobs.…

I generally dislike telecom companies, but to be fair, the spokesperson said "decreasing revenues", not "paltry revenues", and said nothing about profit.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Post by mcv » Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 2:58 PM UTC

baq wrote: post #41

mercurial wrote: post #30

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I don't know. Danish news always go "X is bad in Denmark. Meanwhile, X is really good in Sweden."

there's a lot of 'grass is greener on the other side' in all of europe, this is probably the case here.

And it used to be that we tried to take their grass by conquest. Now we just go there on vacation.