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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by x0x0 »

spicyj wrote: post #31

Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating: > Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg... There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.

I don't think I believe, for better or worse, people are capable of that extremely segmenting their lives. Strong disapproval of someone for his or her lifestyle is inevitably going to creep into your interactions with that person.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by adamors »

dotBen wrote: post #71
Todd wrote: post #26

Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.

Probably because while he may have invented Javascript, many people have contributed to it, so that's not really the same issue. We should assume there might be racists/biggots/etc working at Google on Chrome, at Apple on Safari and at Microsoft on Internet Explorer, too. That's not the point. The issue is with Mozilla placing him as their executive leader; the endorsement that makes and the message that sends to the…

> technical community & the wider world

Hah, wider world. For most people, a browser is "the internet". They don't even care that it is made by a company. They certainly don't care about the CEO of this company who gave some money to some thing sometime in the past.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by dmazin »

gojomo wrote: post #78

And if this doesn't work, eventually when you try to message a Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, or other religiously-observant person from a denomination whose leaders publicly disapprove of homosexuality, you'll see a message from OKCupid like: Religion isn't normally the business of a website. But you've expressed an interest in dating someone whose religion denies equal rights to gay people. Sure, this person may seem OK…

The problem is not that Eich's beliefs are a deviation from a norm (whether they are or not is irrelevant). His beliefs are hateful.

The reason for this particular message is because it is part of a greater campaign to show Mozilla that users and producers on the internet are not in support of Eich's appointment.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by pvnick »

Eich has made it clear, both through promises as well as actions, that he is not going to force his beliefs on Mozilla. Does OkCupid seriously wish harm upon an organization that employs hundreds of innocent individuals, most of whom likely hold different beliefs than Eich? An organization that works for the open web everyday and defends our privacy against actual harmful actions by criminal organizations? Intentionally trying to bring down Mozilla's browser market share means they have less negotiating power with the search engine providers that make up the majority of their revenue.

Talk about forcing your beliefs on others. OkCupid is shamelessly exploiting this situation for attention.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by jfim »

dictum wrote: post #74
davidgerard wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is no trivially replaceable substitute for JavaScript in the site construction, as there is for the browser.

Last time I used OkCupid, I can't remember anything that would actually require JS to work. Real time updates (for instance, in IM) wouldn't be possible, but exchanging messages, looking at profiles and answering quiz questions is perfectly doable without JS. (I know I always sound like someone who hates JavaScript, but at least for the stuff OkC had two years ago, it's not really crucial. IIRC, you could browse user…

The IM case can be done without JS, actually, using chunked encoding [1]. This is similar to the MIME multipart/x-mixed-replace technique [2] that was used for "streaming" webcams in the late 90s.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Mixed-Replace

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #85
mkr-hn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marriage is a possibility for a relationship if you're straight. To deny that for gay people is to deny them the full legal potential of their relationship. edit: added legal before potential

Please rephrase that. Whilst I entirely agree with your sentiment about equality, your implication that those of us in a loving relationship who choose not to marry aren't realising the 'full potential of our relationship' is pretty hurtful. It's precisely this kind of attitude that makes me so reluctant to get married myself.

edit: thanks for your edit. And I'm still bitter about that, but that's a whole other argument ;)

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by vacri »

thu wrote: post #2

Edit: this link works for everyone (it is provided in another submission): http://www.okcupid.com/home?mozilla_message=1 Edit 2: the Internet Exploder typo is theirs. Here is the text (for those who don't use Firefox): Hello there, Mozilla Firefox user. Pardon this interruption of your OkCupid experience. Mozilla’s new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples. We would therefore prefer that o…

OkCupid is for creating love. Those who seek to deny love and instead enforce misery, shame, and frustration are our enemies, and we wish them nothing but failure.

There is an irony that an entity that declares it is for creating love is going around declaring enemies, and wishing them failure. This clearly undermines their own message, and shows them to be of a similar us vs them hateship. There are Sides to be taken, and you don't want to be on the wrong one.

What they should have said is "we are disappointed, and would like to see Eich publicly change his opinion and make some form of recompense; we would like Eich to join us in our view"... instead of "FUCK THAT GUY".

Remember the people that picketed Fred Phelps' funeral with the sign "Sorry for your loss"? That is how you fight hate, not with more hate.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by jrs99 »

justinreeves wrote: post #96
jrs99 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not doubt for a second that new browsers without javascript, but using other languages, will start popping up in the future simply because of this.

If something is to replace Javascript, it's going to be because of the language, not Brendan Eich.

I disagree. I think people can replace JavaScript simply because of Brendan Eich. I can see it happening easily.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by dmazin »

spicyj wrote: post #31

Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating: > Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg... There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.

The issue I, and I think others, have with this appointment is what the appointment implies: in a world where many hateful people hold power, yet another hateful person should hold power (in, of all places, an organization seemingly rooted in progress).
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