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OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#82>Google Chrome Internet Exploder Opera yep, there is no good working browser around that i can trust. Chrome is just like the "Exploder" only from another, new generation, MS. edit: i fully support the equal rights (among others the right to file joint return with object of your sexual desire) and kind of surprised to learn that a supposedly smart techie would actively support the opposite. I'm surprised at Mozilla t…
Chromium then?
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#83I look forward to a full public review of the politics of OkCupid executives and investors. Actually, I'm sure someone is going to do exactly this now.
Now that Pandora's Box has been opened, it's not going to shut very easily. It's going to get bloody.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
"but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal" No, just marriage. His $1000 annulled existing gay marriages, and the situation didn't recover until 2013. You can't seriously expect that there won't be LOTS of people REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT. You can think they're wrong ... but those people are your prospective customers too.
But they still wouldn't be illegal. No one would go to jail for being married. They just wouldn't be recognized by the state. That is way different than what OKCupid is trying to say.
"Illegal" is not the same thing as "criminal."
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal" I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal (like Uganda or nigeria). it does okcupid no credit to infer that he does (using weasel words like "people like Mr eich".) saying "eich wanted to prevent 8% of our customers from enjoying the fulfillmen…
Marriage is a possibility for a relationship if you're straight. To deny that for gay people is to deny them the full legal potential of their relationship. edit: added legal before potential
Please rephrase that. Whilst I entirely agree with your sentiment about equality, your implication that those of us in a loving relationship who choose not to marry aren't realising the 'full potential of our relationship' is pretty hurtful. It's precisely this kind of attitude that makes me so reluctant to get married myself.
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there is no trivially replaceable substitute for JavaScript in the site construction, as there is for the browser.
Last time I used OkCupid, I can't remember anything that would actually require JS to work. Real time updates (for instance, in IM) wouldn't be possible, but exchanging messages, looking at profiles and answering quiz questions is perfectly doable without JS. (I know I always sound like someone who hates JavaScript, but at least for the stuff OkC had two years ago, it's not really crucial. IIRC, you could browse user…
> Real time updates (for instance, in IM) wouldn't be possible
If we're going back in time, you can get this via Flash.
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#87I disagree with the comments saying the CEO's personal beliefs are irrelevant. I believe OKC's message is both relevant and appropriate.
I'll grant that the "8% of relationships... would be illegal" argument is a little weak, but the CEO IS paid by Mozilla. In the past he has donated to anti-gay-marriage causes, and may continue to do so in the future enabled by Mozilla's money. Firefox users help Mozilla make money. The browser is the medium for the site and the user. The user, in accessing sites like OKC, allows Mozilla to give some money to the CEO who in turn could give it to a cause many see as encouraging bigotry. Websites like OKC are an essential (even if indirect) part of Mozilla's revenue model.
Brendan Eich has a right to free speech, and so does OKCupid. We also have a right to responsible consumerism. In a true free market, responsible consumption helps us ensure companies are using their profits in a way we believe is ethical.
Personally I'm glad OKC is helping to send the message that supporting discrimination based on sexual orientation isn't acceptable to many of us in today's society.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
"but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal" No, just marriage. His $1000 annulled existing gay marriages, and the situation didn't recover until 2013. You can't seriously expect that there won't be LOTS of people REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT. You can think they're wrong ... but those people are your prospective customers too.
But they still wouldn't be illegal. No one would go to jail for being married. They just wouldn't be recognized by the state. That is way different than what OKCupid is trying to say.
> No one would go to jail for being married.
Well, Prop 8 specifically didn't try to do that, but that isn't unheard of in the US: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/10/indiana...
> They just wouldn't be recognized by the state.
Okcupid may have worded that badly, but the problem doesn't go away because it changed from "illegal" to "refusal to recognize/allow". It's still fundamentally terrible.
And yes, I recognize the difference between the two - I'm fully aware this country made interracial marriages like mine straight out illegal and not just unrecognized up until 50 years ago, and it's only been a week since I got married and I've already had to deal with thinly veiled racism.
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#89Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating: > Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg... There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.
They released it too late. If they had ANY clue, they'd have thought of this ahead of time. e.g. Brendan donates $2k or $5k to a gay charity requiring a public record (as the Prop 8 donation did) three months ago, someone notices two months ago, he can then stay as gnomic as he likes. Something like that. But, y’know, literally nobody in the upper echelons of Mozilla thought of this. That neither Eich or the board th…
it's EXTREMELY bizarre that they would not have seriously thought of it.
Unless they all share the same opinions as Eich and they feel that being against gay marriage is like being against anchovies on your pizza. Then it would never have hit them that this was a serious problem.
Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
#90Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.
Why doesn't OKCupid take a bolder stance and give a button to all their users when they sign in, asking, "Do you support marriage equality?" If they click "no", it deletes your account. I mean, as long as you've decided this is the sort of thing your business ought to be concerning itself with...
Although that situation you outline might seem pretty extreme, spare a thought for those who suffer far worse discrimination in real life, where it actually matters. Cf. the bed and breakfast owner who asks "Are you gay?" and if the answer's "yes", shuts their door on you.