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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by rch »

pvnick wrote: post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

Boycotting is a perfectly legitimate means of expressing one's opinion, in a manner that is in no way 'dismissing the legitimacy of other's beliefs'. If you believe it matters to an oil company where you pump gas, go for it; if they agree with you, then maybe they'll do something to win back your business. Hard to see that as a witch hunt...

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by [deleted] »

PeterisP wrote: post #72
bronson wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When his "moral stance" directly affects your own quality of life and standing as a US citizen then it's probably more than just fashion, hm?

Well no, he has the exact same rights as any other citizen to vote and donate for whatever laws he prefers. It's inappropriate to do various things that hurt people around you; but it's perfectly fine to vote and support laws that directly affect quality of life of people in both directions (surprise - pretty much all laws/propositions do!). It's exactly the same as boycotting a company because CEO belongs to a reall…

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

drhayes9 wrote: post #94
transitionality wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discrimination on the basis of political stance is bigotry. There is no two ways about this.

Discrimination of what kind? They are not publishing an app in an app store. Are they discriminating against Mozilla? Are they blocking Mozilla browsers from their site? Are people being persecuted, imprisoned, or killed for using Firefox? Are they working to put Eich in an internment camp based on his beliefs? The word "bigotry" is a very big stick to swing against two people who could be killed in many parts of the…

They are actively working to disenfranchise Brendan Eich of his employment. They are doing this on the basis of his political stance. This is bigotry. They are bigots. What's worse, they're hypocritical bigots, because they're trying to pass this off as some sort of anti-bigotry stance.

All social justice is like this. It breaks down under the merest of scrutinty.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

#104

Post by m0skit0 »

it_learnses wrote: post #41
m0skit0 wrote: post #6

I understand your posture and I totally support gay marriage, but you're mixing politics with work, and you're taking a personal issue to a professional level. It's Brendan Eich that supported the prop 8, not Mozilla. That's a very very very VERY unprofessional stance. From now on I will be very careful in buying/getting anything from your company because of huge lack of professionalism being shown here. This said, I…

what's unprofessional about this stance? They're standing up for their values. Why should we separate different aspects of our lives? We're not machines, we're human beings. I say, I'd love to do business with them because they stand up for their values rather than bow to greed and fear not getting some unknown moroccan's business.

I have no business, I'm a simple user and I have my values and they say: "Do not trust people that mix work and personal issues". It's my opinion and I respect yours as well.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by vertex-four »

gcb0 wrote: post #66
pessimizer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>After all, after people get paid from their job, shouldn't it be their right that they can use their money as they please? If they spent that money attacking your family, would you be willing to do business with them?

I will eat my proverbial hat if you can find one executive from a top company that never promoted taxes for the income range my family is into.

I assure you that marriage is an entirely different ballgame than raising some taxes. Did you read the entire post?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by PeterisP »

glesica wrote: post #47
yeukhon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you actually read the article: We will continue our boycott until Brendan Eich is completely removed from any day to day activities at Mozilla, which we believe is extremely unlikely after all he’s survived and the continued support he has received from Mozilla. A quick interpretation would be "Mozilla should never pick someone who doesn't like gays." That's against employment equality even though CEO is a unique…

That's against employment equality... Is it though? Are homophobes a protected class? Would a company be forced at the point of a lawsuit to hire a goose-stepping neo-Nazi if he or she had impeccable credentials?

Should companies be allowed to deny jobs to communists? To people belonging to Muslim Brotherhood party of Egypt? To members of Greece's Golden Dawn? To freemasons? To members of German American Bund in 1939?

Hiring is supposed to be done according to credentials and explicitly ignoring belonging to a political party - and there shouldn't be any differences between major parties such as Democrats and minor parties such as American Nazi Party which apparantly was a real thing until 80ies.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

Delenda wrote: post #84
transitionality wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discrimination on the basis of political stance is bigotry. There is no two ways about this.

Political stance is one thing, but he then specifically took action to ruin their lives. They're not acting based on against what his stance is, but on the actions he specifically took that personally and demonstrably hurt them.

They're acting based on what his stance is. The actions can't exist independently of the stance. The differentiation that you're artificially trying to conjure does not exist.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by chrismonsanto »

NAFV_P wrote: post #88
chrismonsanto wrote: post #44

I support your decision to boycott, although I personally disagree with it. I wish you would give Brendan the chance to repent. First of all, and most importantly, it's unlikely they are going to shitcan him as CEO. Second, he has not spoken about his motivations for donating to Prop 8. If he was doing so in pursuit of abolishing the marriage institution altogether, I consider that very different than doing it becaus…

> Since this is a politically charged issue, I will say that while I am personally in favor of abolishing marriage altogether, I think actively working to deny gays the right to marry in the interim is an exceptionally absurd idea. Which aspect of marriage are you referring to, the religious and/or legal ceremony?

I'm referring to the legal distinction between single and married people, and the benefits married people get.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by natdempk »

pvnick wrote: post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

For me, gay marriage is on a level of fundamental human rights and equality. That everyone should have the same rights under the law is literally one of the central beliefs that the United States was founded on. If we're giving benefits to couples who are married, gay couples should be entitled to those same benefits. [1] I don't see how anyone can say anything to the contrary. If I heard something remotely convincing then I would probably accept it, but I haven't. Largely the opposition of gay marriage is just bigotry because it makes someone uncomfortable. [2] The issue here is that those beliefs aren't legitimate, they just deny another human being rights that they should have.

[1] I'm not sure whether we should give benefits to married couples at all, but if we are then all couples should be eligible for them if they desire.

[2] Besides the opinion of a single person on HN, I've never seen anyone against gay marriage because they are against marriage as a whole. Its always that it offends them in some way.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by sehr »

spindritf wrote: post #39

ComputerIndustryBlacklist.com is availble as of writing if someone was looking for a side project. Considering the professions involved, I'm sure we can do better than a bunch of Hollywood execs.

Seriously? I understand this is pretty emotional topic for a lot of people here, but this is just absolutely ridiculous.
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