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Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by sehr »

FiddlerClamp wrote: post #15
evertonfuller wrote: post #5

Irrelevant of any feelings towards being gay or not. Surely this is a form of oppression in itself. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether you approve of them or not, and so by effectively black-mailing others to conform to your perceived social 'right'. I see this as a sad attempt at press. Having never heard of this company or product before.

Speaking out against bigotry is not 'oppression.'

This word is being used way too much today, disagreement does not necessarily entail bigotry. He could actively endorse anti gay marriage without strongly and unfairly disliking gay people, ideas, etc.

It's a majorly shitty decision though no doubt.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by archgoon »

msujaws wrote: post #4
ilovecomputers wrote: post #3

"This is a strange one to me and can indeed be a sticky situation. I am NOT judging people who use Firefox, work at Mozilla, or even support Brendan’s right to his opinions. It’s fine that you think I shouldn’t judge his opinion. (This is getting confusing). However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions. It’s not his belief that hurts us. It’s that he…

There are people at every large software company that donated to one of the sides of the political battle. Some of them may have received a promotion after the fact. Does that mean that you should boycott those companies too? (Google, Apple, etc.) After all, after people get paid from their job, shouldn't it be their right that they can use their money as they please?

> After all, after people get paid from their job, shouldn't it be their right that they can use their money as they please?

"He’s certainly allowed to have his opinion, of course, but I’m allowed to judge his actions of supporting the cause financially."

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

When you're attempting blackmail, you need to ensure that your hostage has value to your victims that is commensurate with your ransom demand.

You have a shitty puzzle game that's getting "thousands of downloads" and you want Mozilla to fire their CEO over that.

Not going to happen. We can do without your shitty puzzle game, thanks.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by pessimizer »

msujaws wrote: post #4
ilovecomputers wrote: post #3

"This is a strange one to me and can indeed be a sticky situation. I am NOT judging people who use Firefox, work at Mozilla, or even support Brendan’s right to his opinions. It’s fine that you think I shouldn’t judge his opinion. (This is getting confusing). However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions. It’s not his belief that hurts us. It’s that he…

There are people at every large software company that donated to one of the sides of the political battle. Some of them may have received a promotion after the fact. Does that mean that you should boycott those companies too? (Google, Apple, etc.) After all, after people get paid from their job, shouldn't it be their right that they can use their money as they please?

>After all, after people get paid from their job, shouldn't it be their right that they can use their money as they please?

If they spent that money attacking your family, would you be willing to do business with them?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by badman_ting »

I was unaware of this issue until today but I think Hampton is really great. And I think his position here is thoroughly defensible. How unfortunate this all is.

Edit: I see he is being accused here of blackmail and oppression himself. Wow. Fuck you guys.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by general_failure »

I am sure this was a hard decision to make but this was the right one. It is hard to overlook one's past actions and afaik brendan has not apologized/redacted his stance.

BTW, Apple rejected quite a few gay apps in the past. They should strongly consider rejecting everything Apple made.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by it_learnses »

Good for you. I also up until now thought Mozilla was fighting for the little guy and as a developer I've been wanting to work for them. Not anymore. There's no way I want to work for a company whose CEO has publicly supported voting against two people's right to be happy.

For those that say don't mix business with politics, think about what you are saying. Politics affect our day to day lives and the way we live or die. How can we separate politics from any other sphere of our lives?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by yeukhon »

autarch wrote: post #14
evertonfuller wrote: post #5

Irrelevant of any feelings towards being gay or not. Surely this is a form of oppression in itself. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether you approve of them or not, and so by effectively black-mailing others to conform to your perceived social 'right'. I see this as a sad attempt at press. Having never heard of this company or product before.

Calling this a "form of oppression" is a bit silly. How are Brendan Eich's rights being denied here? How is Brendan being prevented from acting on his own beliefs? These two people decided that they don't want to associate with an organization where the CEO is, in their opinion, anti-gay. That's entirely within their rights, isn't it? As others in the thread said, action have consequences. One consequence of being pu…

If you actually read the article:

We will continue our boycott until Brendan Eich is completely removed from any day to day activities at Mozilla, which we believe is extremely unlikely after all he’s survived and the continued support he has received from Mozilla.

A quick interpretation would be "Mozilla should never pick someone who doesn't like gays."

That's against employment equality even though CEO is a unique position. But still, personal belief doesn't always mean the CEO will turn out bad and disrespect everyone else.

I have question for the founders: if you were told one of your employees doesn't believe in gay rights will you fire him?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by tommorris »

evertonfuller wrote: post #5

Irrelevant of any feelings towards being gay or not. Surely this is a form of oppression in itself. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether you approve of them or not, and so by effectively black-mailing others to conform to your perceived social 'right'. I see this as a sad attempt at press. Having never heard of this company or product before.

> black-mailing

Translation: not putting an app in an app store.

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