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Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by fit2rule » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 1:50 PM UTC

downandout wrote: post #8

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

>human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances

I suppose we shouldn't try, then. Not even a little bit.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by yrro » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 3:25 PM UTC

yrro wrote: post #45

downandout wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Climate change" used to be "global warming" until that term became so strongly associated with extremists that it instantly damaged the credibility of anyone that used it. "Climate Change Skeptics" communicates the same thing as "deniers". You are missing the point. Most people agree that climate change (aka global warming) is occurring. The argument is over whether we can cause it or stop it.

"Climate change" used to be "global warming" until G.W. Bush's campaign came up with the new name to make it sound like a less alarming phenomenon.

Argh, should have been GHW Bush.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by Adrock » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 3:33 PM UTC

brc wrote: post #74

Adrock wrote: post #37

Another take is that these kind of sustainable practices are desirable to Apple's high-value employees. By acting in a way that increases the retention of those employees and helps with recruiting new ones with similar priorities, they are investing in the company's future.

A better way of achieving that would be to set aside a bucket of money to direct towards work that staff would like to see. The staff could then vote for where that money could be spent. It might be solar energy, or it could be cancer research. That would be much more direct and measurable. Berkshire Hathaway does the same thing with its investors - gives them the say where the company spends its charitable contribut…

It's not obvious to me that what you describe is a better way. The two approaches are not mutually exclusive and what I described is not about charitable contributions. It's about actual business processes and business decisions, which are difficult to argue should be made using votes.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by wdr1 » Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 8:10 PM UTC

downandout wrote: post #29

jjoonathan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this group [does not deny] that climate change is occurring But their press release says > Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change. which sounds like denial to me. Would you prefer to call them "Climate Change Skeptics," the term coined by radical conservatives to attempt to paint themselves as not crazy and anti-scientific? Everyone plays the "name yourself according…

"Climate change" used to be "global warming" until that term became so strongly associated with extremists that it instantly damaged the credibility of anyone that used it. "Climate Change Skeptics" communicates the same thing as "deniers". You are missing the point. Most people agree that climate change (aka global warming) is occurring. The argument is over whether we can cause it or stop it.

Actually, it was Bush, via a consultant from Fox News, that changed the language from "global warming" to "climate change." (No joke.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Post by zheshishei » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 4:25 PM UTC

Is anybody else really annoyed by the image banner on their site[1]?

Not only is it broken into two images, there's a br tag causing most of the misalignment. Also, the two splices don't have the same height. I've checked this in chrome, firefox, and ie 7-10 and it doesn't work in any of them.

[1]http://www.nationalcenter.org/