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Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by at-fates-hands »

diggan wrote: post #15

This is my lucky day to be in Spain! Have been following the project from the B2G[0] days and will order a phone ASAP. If you are in Spain, you can order the phone from Telefonica[1] and if you are like me and want to talk with other Firefox OS nerds, there is a Google Plus community for that[2] Also, don't forget that if you want to develop for Firefox OS but don't yet have a device for it, you can run the superfast…

This is awesome. Can you give some more specs on the phone and possible price point in Spain?

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by roc »

Yoric wrote: post #37
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe people anywhere in the world will keep buying phones for $800. I believe this has been a fad and it's starting to fade.

I wonder about that. I see around me a few people replacing their work computer with a cellphone. That cellphone is more useful for them, cheaper, easier to carry and, with respect to what they manage to use it for, more powerful. Of course, that's just a few samples, so I have no idea about general trends.

Even still, at some point the pocket computer people have will be "good enough" that they no longer see the value in an expensive upgrade every couple years.

If people are trying to replace their desktop, perhaps it will take a couple additional years for pocket computers to be "good enough" at those tasks. But that won't break the inevitable trend. That will just postpone it a bit.

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by Apocryphon »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #59

I think Firefox OS has potentially huge geek (read: early adopter) appeal, which Blackberry and Windows Mobile do not have - they are dead. Tizen, Jolla, and others are just obscure specks. I am rooting for Firefox OS to be a serious contender within a couple of years. I think it has a strong chance to be #3. Likewise I don't think it has any chance whatsoever of taking the #1 or #2 spots - those are going to stay as…

That's what I suspect so, too- its open nature will be embraced by the hacker mentality, as well as the rising anti-proprietary movement in the wake of the PRISM scandal.

The question is, how would it fare against other similar projects, such as Ubuntu Touch?

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by Ygg2 »

glogla wrote: post #99
Yoric wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Android and Firefox OS both also have a VM to run managed code, along with a JIT compiler. Android's VM, Dalvik, was specifically designed to be memory efficient in the case where several apps are running as separate Unix processes. Is the same true of SpiderMonkey? Short answer: yes, SpiderMonkey has been designed to be quite memory efficient. > But on top of this, Firefox OS and its apps add: Actually, let me cla…

I appears that new project starting from clean slate, and being able to use newest research and learn from mistakes of others, and therefore being better than the original project, is a pretty common pattern. For example, see LLVM and GCC. LLVM is better compiler simply because it has much less legacy code to understand, maintain and support, less platforms, and mostly because it's twenty or more years younger. Simil…

(1) There is a modification of A * star. It's called A * jump point search.

http://harablog.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/jump-point-search/

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by glogla »

seabrookmx wrote: post #95
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe people anywhere in the world will keep buying phones for $800. I believe this has been a fad and it's starting to fade.

Why pay $800? I can buy a brand new unlocked Nexus 4 for $305 CDN. This is a top tier smartphone.

I congratulate you on being privileged, but most people can't do that. Here it costs twice that, for example.

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by shmerl »

While I'm excited for Mozilla and for creation of wider choice in the mobile space, Firefox OS targeted devices aren't that interesting to me. I'd rather wait for Jolla's handsets to arrive. Not only they'll run glibc Linux proper (Mer based Sailfish OS), they'll also have a Gecko based browser which will be able to run Firefox OS applications as well.

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by shmerl »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #59

I think Firefox OS has potentially huge geek (read: early adopter) appeal, which Blackberry and Windows Mobile do not have - they are dead. Tizen, Jolla, and others are just obscure specks. I am rooting for Firefox OS to be a serious contender within a couple of years. I think it has a strong chance to be #3. Likewise I don't think it has any chance whatsoever of taking the #1 or #2 spots - those are going to stay as…

Jolla has a better appeal I think. Firstly it's a full pledged Linux, not limited to JavaScript applications only. Secondly one will be able to run Firefox OS applications on Jolla as well, since the browser there is using Gecko.

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by bad_user »

rimantas wrote: post #36
Yoric wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, hello PommeDeTerre. Haven't we had roughly the same conversation last week on another thread? > Firefox OS will need to successfully compete against BlackBerry OS, Windows Mobile, [...] Yes, a new product needs to compete with existing products. That goes without saying. > And how exactly is it "different"? Frankly? Try it, you'll see. For me, it's different insofar as I can write a small game and self-publish it…

> Caveat: I'm a Mozillian. Oh. If your view resembles that of the most of mozillians then I think Firfox OS is already doomed. What you wrote might appeal to some developers, but it means little to users. And I am not sure how many developers are interested in platform in which users are not interested. Looks like when Blake Ross left Mozilla so did understanding the user.

> What you wrote might appeal to some developers, but it means little to users

If you look throughout history, the operating systems that succeeded where the operating systems preferred by developers. Whether this is mixing causality with correlation, we can't really be sure, since the marketplace is in general weird, however it's safe to assume that popularity amongst users is related to popularity amongst developers.

1) Exhibit A: Windows versus OS/2 (remember IBM's OS/2 ?)

2) Exhibit B: "The Return of the Mac", by Paul Graham - http://paulgraham.com/mac.html

3) Exhibit C: Symbian in 2007 had 70% of the market-share or even more

Re: Firefox OS devices officially released

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Post by soapdog »

gebe wrote: post #57
diggan wrote: post #15

This is my lucky day to be in Spain! Have been following the project from the B2G[0] days and will order a phone ASAP. If you are in Spain, you can order the phone from Telefonica[1] and if you are like me and want to talk with other Firefox OS nerds, there is a Google Plus community for that[2] Also, don't forget that if you want to develop for Firefox OS but don't yet have a device for it, you can run the superfast…

I can't say that I have used the Firefox OS simulator extensively but I have been fiddling around with it a little bit and a lot of stuff didn't seem to work for me at least (like landscape mode, buttons in the notification menu, scroll seem to behave very weird in lists and/or gets stuck quite often resulting in me accidentally clicking on stuff, strange text formatting so that text gets printed outside of the scree…

What version of the emulator you are running? The most recent one 3.0.1 is pretty solid. Landscape mode and buttons works correctly.
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