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Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by netsp »

sho wrote: post #19
dschobel wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never met someone who used any version of windows because they thought it was a reasonable way to interface with your computer, always for application compatibility.

I wouldn't even say that. In most cases I'd say it's all about familiarity - both OS and application. Perhaps a project manager needs MS Project, or an architect needs AutoCad or something but for the "teenage girl" demographic you would be hard pressed to find any particular application they absolutely needed that doesn't exist on Linux, or there isn't a ready counterpart (eg Adium instead of MSN Messenger). They're…

It's important to use would instead of could when thinking about these things. If the teenage girl doesn't know about Adium, it's the same no Adium.

It's now more likely that she would Google "MSN for linux" and be successful. That's relatively new. It still leaves her less likely to having the messenger. That likelihood is not 0. Not even on windows. There are plenty of 14 year old girls out there that don't have MSN Messenger on Windows even though they 'couldn't' overcome some sort of hurdle.

http://www.google.com/search?q=msn+for+linux&ie=utf-8&#3...

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

#102

Post by Splines »

oomkiller wrote: post #94
jodrellblank wrote: post #86

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By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

You just said something monumental "Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure." Thats one of the biggest things that Linux has going for it, if something breaks, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE FIX! You can A. Fix it yourself; B. Get the latest source which probably has the fix (if it's a problem anyone else is having); or C. Filing a bug repor…

FOSS has many benefits, but I had always considered the fact that you can "fix it yourself" not to be one. Do any of you fix random bugs in your desktop applications? (Firefox, for example).

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

#103

Post by whacked_new »

krschultz wrote: post #99
whacked_new wrote: post #64

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For hybrid tablet users, Windows is the only way to go, and in that respect, I think the MS team did a pretty damn good job with the bundled functions in Vista. And those who haven't used tablets before don't know what you're missing out on :-)

Why do you say that? We're all using Lenovo X61's with Ubuntu and its full featured.

I just finished Jaunty; the out-of-the-box support was remarkable, but it still falls short of Vista.

Vista is really a "tablet-aware" OS; when you pick up the pen, all the penabled functions come alive. When you hold down the secondary button, an indicator appears. And you have the screen rotation buttons, on screen keyboard, excellent handwriting recognition, and the journal app, which, despite it's lame (non-svg) format, does a decent job.

Jaunty was awesome up until the point of dual head. My video card is partly to blame, because on xorg I can't set two screens of different resolution, so my second monitor looks terrible, not to mention the logout required. In terms of tablet functions, you have to readjust the coordinates after you add the second monitor. On Vista, everything works with close to no intervention, and plugging in another monitor, everything still works as you expect.

That's not to say Jaunty wasn't hella impressive; it was. But I'm talking about built-in features, and in this respect Vista is still ahead. Anyhow, back to ubuntu on the VM.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by adimit »

old-gregg wrote: post #73
rcoder wrote: post #52

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Honestly, the registry is no worse from an end-user POV than the /etc filesystem under Linux. In point of fact, given the diversity of file formats and sources in /etc, it's probably fair to say that the registry is equally navigable and understandable to the average Windows power user as the config tree is to a Linux fan. Because keys are typed and support ACLs, it's also arguably better-protected against accidental…

In my Linux days I'd just make a copy of /etc and my home directory and that was always enough to get a new machine, install Debian, run a few aptitude commands, restore /etc and move on. Try doing it on Windows. There is always a small army of GUI tools, often from 3rd parties, to help you accomplish things like these. Just recently I had to get rid of Adobe CS3 on my Mac: it was easy enough - just run find | grep o…

> In my Linux days I'd just make a copy of /etc and my home directory and that was always enough to get a new machine, install Debian, run a few aptitude commands, restore /etc and move on.

Even better: go make a VCS-repo for your /etc. It's absolutely great.

I have /etc in a git repo, and an hourly cron job to commit whatever there is to be committed (I should probably use icrod instead of cron, but right now, I'm too lazy.) That way you can fix mistakes that got introduced sometime in the past, and you can see the diffs between different versions of your configuration. Of course, it has the same benefit of being able to just clone the configuration on another machine. EXCEPT, you also get to set up different branches for different hosts, if you need that, but that might be overdoing it already.

Seriously, try keeping more stuff under VCS. I use it for my ~/, my most important dotfiles, and /etc. Great thing.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by vetinari »

Splines wrote: post #102
oomkiller wrote: post #94

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You just said something monumental "Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure." Thats one of the biggest things that Linux has going for it, if something breaks, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE FIX! You can A. Fix it yourself; B. Get the latest source which probably has the fix (if it's a problem anyone else is having); or C. Filing a bug repor…

FOSS has many benefits, but I had always considered the fact that you can "fix it yourself" not to be one. Do any of you fix random bugs in your desktop applications? (Firefox, for example).

You don't, unless it really bothers you for some reason.

Consider it 'real option' that is available with Linux but not with Windows or OSX.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by ido »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #92
derwiki wrote: post #58

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I installed Ubuntu on a laptop I gave to my father a few weeks ago, and he's been using it exclusively. I don't think he can tell the difference between Ubuntu and Windows.

You know, I'm not one of those weirdos that think desktop applications are going away. But I'd say most people who keep up with software development believe that's the case. I think that would be pretty bad if the best we'll ever be able to do is Javascript. Anyway, IF most apps people are using are Web based and compatible with Firefox or a Flash version supported in Ubuntu ... it seems less and less like there woul…

Or Java.

Applets - they don't suck as badly anymore!

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by [deleted] »

jodrellblank wrote: post #86
quoderat wrote: post #81

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Sorry, I have to use what the company provides, not what I wish the company provided. That's the real world.

By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

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Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by quoderat »

jodrellblank wrote: post #86
quoderat wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I have to use what the company provides, not what I wish the company provided. That's the real world.

By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

It's not FUD, and it's not wrong.

It took me hours of research to do a simple down/up in Windows -- something that took me 30 seconds of research in Linux.

And you yourself illustrate all the odd and very long things you have to do in Windows to do a simple down/up of the NIC, and to get it to work correctly.

While in Linux, I can just do "sudo ifdown eth0"

All in all, I prefer the 30 second way, versus the five hour way.

By your very use of evidence, you proved my point. Cool.

But didn't know about DevCon. Thanks.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by jodrellblank »

krschultz wrote: post #98
jodrellblank wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

So wait, the thing I paid hundreds and hundreds of dollars for over the year won't give me the new fixes unless I fork over more money, but the free one will? I can see not getting new features put into XP, but fixing BUGS should be free.

"other people should work unpaid for my benefit".

Bug fixing takes time, costs money. Linux + surroundings are unusual - the major projects are subsidised by our purchases from unrelated companies.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by sharjeel »

quoderat wrote: post #2

I am not an anti-Microsoft person, but after having used Linux now without even Windows installed for two years straight, it is actually mentally painful to use Windows. Yeah, use whatever works best for you -- but using Windows these days feels like I'm on my Big Wheel when I was three years old. In a rubber room.

Apart from my server machines, I'm primarily a Windows user because I've always felt that Windows (esp. XP) saves you lot of time in configuring stuff as compared to *nix (not considering mac). Of course it restricts you a lot but with tools like GnuWin32 etc. you can create quite a powerful dev box.

Once I decided to install Ubuntu 8.04 in one of my machines but X didn't work due to some conflict with the graphics card. After lot of forum browsing and hair pulling, I finally went to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net to beg for some help. I explained them the problem I was having and casually told them "I'm using Windows right now". The reply was "You mean, struggling with Windows?". Yeah right!

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