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The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Started reading, saw “The timing is the story”, and my LLM-generated-spider-sense tingled. The piece is informative, but I now have no idea if the arguments are human or AI driven

Time to collect facts and start thinking for yourself again. The age of written expertise influence is over.

Good. Too many people don't trust the media, so new reliable sources of truth need to arise. Even then, "Grok is this true?".

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Yes, that's fair, and particularly so for AI. The best action would be to speak softly and carry a big stick. But ultimately, to avoid the dangers of AI, a control treaty of which the only similar historical example was nuclear weapons, will be needed between the US and China. And perhaps, Europe would be better at negotiating that if it was all three. Meanwhile, legislating to label deepfakes, and evaluating models…

It is totally unrealistic to think that any country could regulate the other country's race to superintelligence. This is a technology that will give the victor control over the future of humanity forever, and the ability to lock out any competitors from reaching the same level of capability. Do you really think China would sign any agreement here in good faith? It would be hopelessly naive to negotiate a slowdown an…

Not unrealistic - the same thing happened with nuclear weapons, between two superpowers who were at cold war with each other. China and US now are much more similar to each other.

Of course it won't happen without the threat of mutual annihilation, but superintelligent AI provides that threat.

As to how... Obviously you have to be smart and tough and invent mechanisms to make it work without trust. Plan A has a bunch of ideas to start with https://ai-2040.com/supplements/verification-plan

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We should instead be governed by people who never built anything except giant repositories of stolen data?

No, but there is quite a bit of spectrum between 'never built anything' and 'only built things unethically'. I'd prefer to be governed by people who built something in their lives, and are not career bureaucrats.

I'd definitely prefer the career bureaucrats instead of the unethical builders, and the unethical builders will be the ones governing if the AI companies are left to their own devices.

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No, but there is quite a bit of spectrum between 'never built anything' and 'only built things unethically'. I'd prefer to be governed by people who built something in their lives, and are not career bureaucrats.

I'd definitely prefer the career bureaucrats instead of the unethical builders, and the unethical builders will be the ones governing if the AI companies are left to their own devices.

I hail from the post-communist part of the world, and - given the choice - i'd err on the side of unethical builders such as musk, altman et al. Career bureaucrats are introducing a world where merit does not matter; unethical builders are still merit driven, after all, one does not build claude code without engineering and scientific skills, which implies attachment to physical reality, whereas building bureaucratic regimes is an entirely physical-reality-optional game.

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I absolutely hate those bureaucrats, people who never built anything and just want to control, review, and develop their cottage industries of well paid lawyers one needs to retain to operate in the market. Same as with GDPR - absolutely no positive impact on actual privacy, but a lot of burden on everyone. The worst part is, those people can't be voted out. Because of how EU works, the bureaucrats have an upper hand…

> Same as with GDPR - absolutely no positive impact on actual privacy, but a lot of burden on everyone. Confidently wrong on this one; it has been very helpful for me to both extract data as well as exercise my right to be forgotten from various providers that would otherwise have no obligation to delete my data.

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The idea was that technology is now powerful enough, everything need not be just competition any more. The world could also work to let every human have a good life. Neither China nor America truly seem to have that goal, despite it being both possible and ethical. Europe at least did, based on our experiences of the horrors of the early/mid C20. It's true that in the last 10 years that vision feels like it has crumb…

China and America's goals will not be influenced one bit by the EU bureaucracy. The only effect it will have it will make EU fall behind even further. We'd need quite some changes in the EU to focus on actually winning at something again. Winning at the expense of some of the lofty ideals. I'd rather EU have a decent frontier model lab that plays to win, and steps on toes while doing so, than have a very elaborate bu…

> I'd rather EU have a decent frontier model lab that plays to win, and steps on toes while doing so, than have a very elaborate bureaucracy that tries to prevent that from happening

What in the AI Act makes it hard to develop frontier models?

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Roughly half of American states have passed extensive internet regulation in the last few years to the point of entire businesses exciting their states, and that's the conservative parts of America. The American public, of various creeds and political orientations is as, if honestly not more skeptical of US tech companies. They simply have no control over their government, which is captured by tech CEOs. The recent a…

Sure, and fair. But that only explains that Americans want regulation, not that they want EU regulation. Americans put innovation and result ahead while Europe prefers precaution/fairness first. There are real costs for Europe in terms of productivity because of this. Take a look at the Draghi report. Also see European founders relocating and citing regulation as a problem when it comes to access to capital.

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It's a good thing - AI is in basically everything, it needs regulation.

By people who never built anything except bureaucracies?

Please don't be a shallow anti-EU troll.

WWW? GSM? Bluetooth? Linux? SSH? MP3? LiIon batteries? Chip wafer manufacturing methods? Skype?

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China and America's goals will not be influenced one bit by the EU bureaucracy. The only effect it will have it will make EU fall behind even further. We'd need quite some changes in the EU to focus on actually winning at something again. Winning at the expense of some of the lofty ideals. I'd rather EU have a decent frontier model lab that plays to win, and steps on toes while doing so, than have a very elaborate bu…

> I'd rather EU have a decent frontier model lab that plays to win, and steps on toes while doing so, than have a very elaborate bureaucracy that tries to prevent that from happening What in the AI Act makes it hard to develop frontier models?

Its just a tax and an annoyance, and in a very competitive and difficult economy.

I am already receiving notices from some EU countries that they will want sit downs on how we use AI, and apparently they have the right to demand access to detailed designs and source codes. Fine, whatever, a waste of time, but why would anyone start an AI company here, knowing that there will be bureaucrats focused on making that startup's life harder? Considering AI talent is mobile I'd think a lot of such talent will just hop on a plane and have their startup somewhere less overregulated.

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