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The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by number6 »

villish wrote: post #90
number6 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regulations apply foremost to closed models. Chinese companies mostly release "open models". And regarding fines, well the track record for EU fines against any big tech companies, US or China, is abysmal. Even if the companies are fined, the fine goes uncollected or is slashed after the big press release. I am looking as the DSA here...

Why would they not apply to all models? The models with downloadable weights aren’t “open”. Meaning no one can actually give a summary about their training content and security. Which is what they’re asking US labs.

I actually looked up the text in the AI Act:

"The obligations set out in paragraph 1, points (a) and (b), shall not apply to providers of AI models that are released under a free and open-source licence that allows for the access, usage, modification, and distribution of the model, and whose parameters, including the weights, the information on the model architecture, and the information on model usage, are made publicly available. 2This exception shall not apply to general-purpose AI models with systemic risks."

https://ai-act-law.eu/article/53/

The why is under:

https://ai-act-law.eu/recital/102/

So the chinese models aren't exactly open like in the EU wants them to be

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by Caius-Cosades »

stymaar wrote: post #30
satvikpendem wrote: post #6

Claude slop article aside, this act is one reason why some people say Europe is an open air museum, as it'd rather regulate itself to obscurity while its great works are behind it. Where is Mistral, Le Chaton Fat? They're not competitive anymore. Meanwhile China reaches ever forward because they know that speed and endurance is everything in a race, not shooting oneself in the foot.

The key problem for Europe is that they don't want to take strong enough actions against US tech to let their own actors develop. Which is how China has reached tech dominance, and how even a shithole country like Russia can have their own “tech” industry.

Taking actions against other economies hardly matters when in like half the EU countries legislation is actively hostile against start-ups and entrepreneurs. You can probably count globally notable companies that were established in the EU in the last 25 years with one hand.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by cbg0 »

Gerard22Aug wrote: post #88
stymaar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mistral is serving GLM in addition to their own models. But conspiracy theory don't have to make sense in the first place.

"Mistral is serving GLM " ... "But conspiracy theory don't have to make sense". To me this looks like an example of broken logical thinking, no? :-)

https://docs.mistral.ai/models/zai-glm-5-2

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by cbg0 »

Gerard22Aug wrote: post #85
Gerard22Aug wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a (successful?) lobbying attempt by Mistral. They are falling behind on tech and they want to win on another stupid EU law. You know what will happen next? There will be an exception carved in for "developing countries" ... like China.

... downvoting this account to the oblivion may feel good but it doesn't turn reality into "conspiracy theory" LOL. I am glad you are feeling better.

Writing good arguments will prevent you from looking like a conspiracy nut.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by cbg0 »

aenis wrote: post #45

I absolutely hate those bureaucrats, people who never built anything and just want to control, review, and develop their cottage industries of well paid lawyers one needs to retain to operate in the market. Same as with GDPR - absolutely no positive impact on actual privacy, but a lot of burden on everyone. The worst part is, those people can't be voted out. Because of how EU works, the bureaucrats have an upper hand…

> Same as with GDPR - absolutely no positive impact on actual privacy, but a lot of burden on everyone.

Confidently wrong on this one; it has been very helpful for me to both extract data as well as exercise my right to be forgotten from various providers that would otherwise have no obligation to delete my data.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by spiderfarmer »

satvikpendem wrote: post #19
spiderfarmer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s how conspiracy theories work: find out who could theoretically profit, blame them and spread it as fact. It doesn’t have to stand up to scrutiny, if it sounds plausible “you told them like it is”.

That doesn't make any sense because Mistral wouldn't profit if Chinese models are allowed so not sure why the person above thinks the EU would add a China exemption.

Hence the “It doesn’t have to stand up to scrutiny“

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by satvikpendem »

waitdontanswer wrote: post #22
satvikpendem wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's not even just me who says this, this is an exact title I've seen online as well before, below. The reality is Europe will tend towards stagnation while other superpowers continue trudging on, some with their help of their governments while others, even despite themselves and their governments. https://www.trouw.nl/opinie/wil-europa-geen-openluchtmuseum-... https://www.theprincetontory.com/is-europe-an-open-a…

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Don't make accounts to write one comment, use your real account so we know who to flag.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by bugbull »

satvikpendem wrote: post #6

Claude slop article aside, this act is one reason why some people say Europe is an open air museum, as it'd rather regulate itself to obscurity while its great works are behind it. Where is Mistral, Le Chaton Fat? They're not competitive anymore. Meanwhile China reaches ever forward because they know that speed and endurance is everything in a race, not shooting oneself in the foot.

> Meanwhile China reaches ever forward because they know that speed and endurance is everything in a race, not shooting oneself in the foot.

China reaches ever forward because they aren’t afraid to use power to crack down on anti-social or against the interests of the nation.

The US population into squeamish. Even nowadays as the sort of enlightenment liberal/libertarian culture amongst the US population starts to waver.

I suspect liberal democracy will slowly be on its way out over the coming decades in the west. It has proven to be too obstructionist against the desires of the elite class.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by stymaar »

Caius-Cosades wrote: post #92
stymaar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key problem for Europe is that they don't want to take strong enough actions against US tech to let their own actors develop. Which is how China has reached tech dominance, and how even a shithole country like Russia can have their own “tech” industry.

Taking actions against other economies hardly matters when in like half the EU countries legislation is actively hostile against start-ups and entrepreneurs. You can probably count globally notable companies that were established in the EU in the last 25 years with one hand.

The fact that Russia, with its notably worse institutional framework for business has more relevant tech companies than the EU speeks volume about the value of your argument.

It doesn't matter how good or bad your legislation is when you are always facing an uphill battle against a better capitalized company serving a bigger market, especially in a sector which, despite its name, has very little technology in it, and hence little barriers besides marketing and network effect.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by satvikpendem »

SyneRyder wrote: post #21
satvikpendem wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they, both the EU and Mistral specifically, want Chinese models? Isn't the (de facto, underlying) point of the act to raise up homegrown companies like Mistral?

The Chinese models are open weights, so they can host & finetune them in the EU. Mistral is calling them "European Compute Units". Mistral has pivoted to become a hosting provider of open weight LLMs. "Mistral’s platform will support third-party open models, starting with Z.ai’s GLM-5.2. This and future open models will run on the same infrastructure, regional controls, and service commitments as Mistral models, so c…

This makes much more sense, if they're a hosting provider.
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