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Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by jasonvorhe »

siwatanejo wrote: post #57
sharperguy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly think it would be completely legit to build a completely separate ecosystem on top of the same protocol. A separate set of relays, separate apps which connect to those relays by default, no lighting payments, different defaults, marketed to a different audience. Ultimately it is not just a single network. If users need interoperability eventually they can easily add other relays. But it's true that many pe…

> no lighting payments Nah, you didn't understand it. Lightning is a layer-2 protocol on top of bitcoin. Nostr is the so-called layer-3. Good luck trying to build Nostr without Lightning.

What are you even talking about? I've been building nostr apps for 2 years and never touched Lightning. wtf.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by jasonvorhe »

maelito wrote: post #51

The homepage could be a description of ATProto. Except lots of people around me already use ATproto, and a successful European instance has just been launched, Eurosky, focusing on expanding the protocol with apps doing other things than micro-messages (Bluesky). Why should I care ? Honest question.

https://soapbox.pub/blog/comparing-protocols

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by littlecranky67 »

synctext wrote: post #82
littlecranky67 wrote: post #49

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the main method against spam in Nostr is probably lightning. You can simply attach sats that are worth a couple cents to the content. Note that lightning has the concept of hold invoices so the receiver may or may not chose to actually claim the money. I.e. your friends and family will always attach 50cents to a message, knowing that you will never claim it anyway. If a spammer attaches 50cents to a message, the reci…

> You can simply attach sats that are worth a couple cents to the content. That is a great point! You can attach real money to messages to prevent spamming. However, this has been tried many times and failed to get mass adoption. Friction is too high when users need to load money on their fresh wallet. Giving everybody their own karma-credits could be the best of both worlds. AI slop is a fundamental problem. The sig…

Adoption will come when the friction caused by spam is high enough. We are just getting started with the slop era.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by mort96 »

teekert wrote: post #76
lxgr wrote: post #73

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If you really think that crypto people invented podcast chapters and transcripts, you might want to do a reality check. These have been around in podcatchers for a long time, see e.g. [1] for chapter markers. Apple lagging behind on podcasting features/quasi-standards is also the norm, not the exception. [1] https://id3.org/id3v2-chapters-1.0

Crypto-people? As in that that other part of Homo Sapiens that is about to split off, or what? (Yes sarcasm) What are you even talking about? Please do some research before coming with such a response. Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to concl…

Podcasting 2.0 seems to be a cryptocurrency project. Saying that Podcasting 2.0 invented chapters and transcripts is saying that cryptocurrency people invented chapters and transcripts.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by chr15m »

FreeTrade wrote: post #34

I tried very hard to develop for Nostr with the idea it was an inclusive communication commons. Turns out it was a Lightning Network payments promotion project. All of its users (aside from its creator) were very much more interested in Lightning than in Nostr. Dismal experience, still bitter about the effort I wasted on it.

You can use a technology without agreeing with the views of other users of the technology. You don't have to follow those people.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by chr15m »

mw888 wrote: post #6

Nostr breaks down along the longstanding ambiguity around what 'decentralization' means. In the literal sense, centralization leads to economies of scale and the alleviation of coordination issues. Those coordination issues are what make physically decentralized networks so complicated, inefficient and fractured. These networks usually just find ways to centralize despite. People really want decentralization of power…

> network effects favor the largest

No. You can write a client that does not use popular relays and it will work fine.

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