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Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by marcosdumay »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #66
marcosdumay wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, but the article is not about those important meetings. The examples there are literally meeting friends over coffee and attending a health-care professional.

somehow my paltry and boring CRUD business specifics seem a lot less important than recording a doctors recommendations as to how to treat my wounds. I have a son and we have to sometimes split appointments across me and my wife. I wish i had a recording or automated AI notes that came to my email (no not to a captive portal I can lose access to) so i can read what my doctor said about my son without it getting filte…

If you want to record your interactions of health professionals and share them with the world, you are free to do that.

That's not the example on the article.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by infinite_spin »

projektfu wrote: post #99
infinite_spin wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see what problem the OP has OP's problem seems to be that there is an assumption that they are okay with being recorded, which is their very first argument in this article. What's more, with the attitude you apparently have, we should expect more incidents such as this: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1um3anj/... This whole "it makes the flow of the appointment much better" argument is o…

Asking, "do you mind?" is not an assumption of consent. It's the same question, do you consent? It's like asking someone if they mind smoking. It has two implications. First, you can say you do mind. Second, I obviously have a reason I'm hoping you don't. If you can't say, "I do not like smoking, thanks", then you don't really get to complain, "What nerve! To smoke in front of me!"

You said:

> If someone asked me not to, I'd turn it off

Which means you were already "smoking" in an environment where you need to ask permission first.. this isn't a street corner we're talking about. Stop trying to muddy the water please.

> then you don't really get to complain, "What nerve! To smoke in front of me!"

I do if you're smoking in a place where you need affirmative consent BEFORE lighting up. Please tell me you understand this.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by jerlam »

atoav wrote: post #95
jerlam wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is definitely a thing that's been studied in schools: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20268974 (2019, 238 comments) However, note taking in a business sense is usually different than note taking in an academic sense. Business meetings are more often used to make decisions, unlike academics where lectures are intended to disseminate information.

I get the difference between business and academic note taking, but I still think it is benefitial to do it yourself in a business meeting, because as you write down the notes you may realize a point hasn't been made as clearly as you wish it was made, which allows you to intervene.

I think that's a good case for shared notes, that all the participants can see and agree on. However the AI notes I've seen are compiled long after the meeting is done.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by maxdo »

infinite_spin wrote: post #82
maxdo wrote: post #42

I’m Begging you to keep your Luddite opinion with you . Just answer politely no and that’s it. Why should I care about your opinion . It’s my convenience your privacy prefs.

please review what affirmative consent is .. it's important, especially within the context of health care.

It’s not about that , one person asked , another replied . The way he asked it doesn’t matter . He asked . You surrounded by people with different views to same problems .

What really puzzles me is this burning will to bend everyone else go online and demand something that only you think is right

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by infinite_spin »

maxdo wrote: post #105
infinite_spin wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

please review what affirmative consent is .. it's important, especially within the context of health care.

It’s not about that , one person asked , another replied . The way he asked it doesn’t matter . He asked . You surrounded by people with different views to same problems . What really puzzles me is this burning will to bend everyone else go online and demand something that only you think is right

> Just answer politely no and that’s it.

Let's remember, they didn't politely ask OP. It was assumed.

Affirmative consent means that consent is not assumed, meaning no one need "just answer politely no".. you must ask, and receive a yes, for affirmative consent. Not saying "no", politely or otherwise, doesn't constitute consent.

It's entirely about consent, and has nothing to do with being a Luddite.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by ageyfman »

simmerup wrote: post #90
girvo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they straight up drop important clinical information. My partner has to go over it with a fine toothed comb and it saves her zero time.

This is my experience with it refining meeting notes. Important context is washed out because the ai converts stuff to super generic terms instead

not my experience with a tuned prompt - using fathom
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