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Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by stvltvs »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #53
reaperducer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had medical students in the room when doctors do all kinds of checks. I somehow didn't have any reservations about that either. Medical students are covered by rafts of privacy laws that will end their careers if violated. The modern tech industry runs on privacy violation. The two are not comparable.

the provider using AI to takes notes is still responsible for what happens to those notes

That should be the case, but the frequent data breaches that I get notified about with little consequence to the companies involved make me doubt that there will be real incentives for good behavior.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by infinite_spin »

maxdo wrote: post #42

I’m Begging you to keep your Luddite opinion with you . Just answer politely no and that’s it. Why should I care about your opinion . It’s my convenience your privacy prefs.

please review what affirmative consent is .. it's important, especially within the context of health care.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by jerlam »

atoav wrote: post #69
adamddev1 wrote: post #59

These AI Note-Takers can also mangle the summaries. A few weeks ago I read anecdotes here about a doctor getting completely wrong information about a patient, and a manager getting upset because he was depending on a summary of something a client never said or agreed to, but the AI summary said he did. These things are downright dangerous. Now come the replies saying, "as if human note-takers never made mistakes!"

Actually I think one of the main values of note taking isn't that you get notes, it is that engaging your brain to summarize points makes you understand and remember the points better, even if you throw your notes away right after. It is like writing: One of the main purposes of writing (for me and many others) is that it forces you to structure your thoughts. You could give that task to AI, get the resulting text, b…

This is definitely a thing that's been studied in schools:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20268974 (2019, 238 comments)

However, note taking in a business sense is usually different than note taking in an academic sense. Business meetings are more often used to make decisions, unlike academics where lectures are intended to disseminate information.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by 0xWTF »

Patient: "I want high quality care with good follow up."

Doctor jots down key bits on a paper chart.

Patient: "I want my records to go with me."

Doctor takes notes on computer.

Patient: "I want to sue my doctor if things go wrong."

Doctor takes copious notes on computer.

Patient: "I hate my doctor looking at the screen instead of me."

Doctor gets an AI scribe.

Patient: "I want my doctor to take the notes."

Doctor: sigh

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by SkyPuncher »

I’ve found no value in AI note takers. I’m not really sure what the value of a note taker is when you can simply transcribe the entire meeting and search within context.

For me, the value of notes is writing down what’s important to me/the participants, including the actual process.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by vel0city »

munk-a wrote: post #72
vel0city wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secretaries are compelled by the same privacy and disclosure laws as doctors What HIPAA-like law is there for secretaries?

Anyone handling PII needs to be trained in HIPAA compliance and authorized in the same manner as the doctor themselves. There is no explicitly separate HIPAA like law though if your handling of the information is limited to a particular subset of the information (e.g. knowing that a patient has an appointment with a renal specialist and knowing their address information but not knowing the topic of the appointment) t…

> Anyone handling PII needs to be trained in HIPAA compliance

Anyone working at a covered entity needs HIPAA training. A random secretary working for some other random company unrelated to healthcare and isn't potentially a covered entity doesn't need it.

I originally took your comment as secretaries in general, but re-reading makes it more clear to me you're specifically talking about secretaries in a healthcare setting. In which case yes, they would be bound to the same HIPAA rules I agree.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by thepasch »

> Just leave your computer or note-taker device/app off. Or grab a napkin to write some notes on, that's not that hard. > > Not everything needs to be written down

Congratulations on your apparently very well-functioning brain with seemingly impeccable working memory. I really wasn't expecting this article to go from "I don't want this conversation to be recorded" to "why would anyone even want to take notes, it's not that hard" but I'll say it's certainly a way for this article to go.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by munk-a »

vel0city wrote: post #86
munk-a wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone handling PII needs to be trained in HIPAA compliance and authorized in the same manner as the doctor themselves. There is no explicitly separate HIPAA like law though if your handling of the information is limited to a particular subset of the information (e.g. knowing that a patient has an appointment with a renal specialist and knowing their address information but not knowing the topic of the appointment) t…

> Anyone handling PII needs to be trained in HIPAA compliance Anyone working at a covered entity needs HIPAA training. A random secretary working for some other random company unrelated to healthcare and isn't potentially a covered entity doesn't need it. I originally took your comment as secretaries in general, but re-reading makes it more clear to me you're specifically talking about secretaries in a healthcare set…

Sorry about that confusion! Yeah, I was going off the example in the linked article which is specifically for note-taking during a physio appointment.

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by simmerup »

blitzar wrote: post #46
akersten wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are AI-assistant-enriched coffee catch ups an actual thing that's happening or is OP inventing scenarios to be mad at?

On a date, when the clothes come off I press record (with consent) on my Ai assistant. The after action report is enlightening.

Are you a guy or a girl?

Re: Re: I'm Begging You to Leave Your AI Note-Taker at Home

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Post by simmerup »

girvo wrote: post #48
ageyfman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

medical appointments is a perfect use case for ai note takers. Imagine you have an elderly parent who lives hundreds of miles away. You can't always be present for their medical appointments, yet, the outcomes of those appointments are critical, and sometimes information is shared in a way that the elderly parent cannot be a trustworthy source for that info. What do you do?

Except they straight up drop important clinical information. My partner has to go over it with a fine toothed comb and it saves her zero time.

This is my experience with it refining meeting notes. Important context is washed out because the ai converts stuff to super generic terms instead
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