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Programmers need to start meditating

jacob.gold

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Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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Catastrophies would be we vibe coded a nuclear plant or space rocket system and we blew up thousands of people due to a vibe coding error.

Bringing most of the western world economy to a standstill isn't one? When I say AWS was down I mean AWS was down.

> Bringing most of the western world economy to a standstill

That’s a huge exaggeration.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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post #36

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Bringing most of the western world economy to a standstill isn't one? When I say AWS was down I mean AWS was down.

> Bringing most of the western world economy to a standstill That’s a huge exaggeration.

True, it was Crowdstrike that did that, and that one wasn't AI.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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Loving code does not necessarily mean being an architecture astronaut.

The people I'm talking about literally like coding for the sake of coding (many have shared comments here on HN about it in the past too), which I think is the same group who now are loosing their "passion for software engineering" as the LLM takes over the typing/coding part, but still leaves the design/intention to the human. But yes I agree, one does not equal the other, but if one person has one of those characte…

Agreed, I see a lot of the type of people you're describing on here.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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Meditation can also hype up your anxiety depending on individual circumstances and personality. And it is by no means easy, you have to invest much effort to get results. It's like refactoring your code base (mind).

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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Programmers need to stop listening to obnoxious people who are proudly destroying our industry while simulataneously farming our anxiety for attention and validation.

Software enegineering is not the kind of field that should require adoption of some universal coping mechanism. The fact that you're suddenly bing told to adapt to something harming you should raise all kind of qustions and red flags.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

#107

There is also a simpler approach: just stop using AI. And if you can't, THAT should be a big red warning sign for you.

that's like "stop using a car, you can walk between cities and its healthier"

Perhaps: "If you find yourself re-arranging your life into a [car|AI|...]-dependent life, stop before it's too late?"

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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Yeah, same thoughts. And this industry is becoming so volatile, I'm not sure what will happen tomorrow. I mean it's highly unlikely that AI will replace developers at least in the next 10 years, but I'm not sure what will "software developer" become. Certain people love to work with details. If AI is taking away this joy, I'll rather retire as early as possible from this volatile industry.

I’m trying to get a bit away from the business stakeholders, into more technically required roles. Eventually my goal is to get into a system programming role. The issue with roles close to business is that it doesn’t provide the right soil for good engineering . Your stakeholders have no concept of engineering and wants everything ASAP; Your manager is just a yes man who takes all tickets, and want you to use AI for…

In my company it's a bit more complicated, but I have the spirit of your thoughts. I think business software (such as the ERP-like software I work on) is often an entropy magnet from the complexity point of view. It doesn't strive to be simple and elegant because business / finance world is messy. Whether all the complexity and messiness of the financial world is accidental or justified, this is irrelevant for me because I don't care about their business problems. It will be soul sucking anyway.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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> On the subject: some people find meditation very helpful, others find it a net negative, or useless, or impossible to do. So a categorical "you should do this" isn't correct or particularly helpful. Try it, if it works for you, great; but don't put it about that people who aren't doing it are being negligent in some way Absolutely. I've tried mediation in many situations and some classes but it's just not for me. M…

It being boring is part of the point - normally your brain is constantly stimulated so it does indeed feel strange and uncomfortable when that stimulus is taken away. Pushing through that is what leads to progress. Meditation is like physical exercise, it's not exactly "fun" at the time, you sort of have to learn to enjoy it, but it's never easy. Like exercise the real reward is backloaded

It eventually worked for you - great. That doesn't prove that it will eventually work for everyone.

At some point, when something is not working, you have to write off the sunk cost. In many cases, there's no obvious threshold as to when you make that decision, and it's easy to think that maybe, if you'd just held out a little longer, been a bit more determined, you could have made it work. But you have to make a call, without knowing for certain either way. And it can be the right call, even if, with perfect information, you'd have made the other choice.

So, while I'm sure lots of the people saying "you should just have tried harder" are doing so with complete good will, it's not helpful. You don't know, for another random person on the internet:

* how much work they put in

* what other burdens they were carrying

* what other needs and responsibilities they could use that time and energy on

* how their mind is different to your mind

etc, etc. In short, you don't have most of the information needed to make that decision for them, and you don't have any call to judge them for it.

Re: Programmers need to start meditating

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This isn't the worst article, and it's triggered a decent amount of discussion (despite being very short). However, I really dislike "What you're doing wrong/failing to do" titles. They are intended to trigger anxiety, which is manipulative and (in this case) precisely contradicts the concern the author is purporting to have for the rest of us. On the subject: some people find meditation very helpful, others find it…

> On the subject: some people find meditation very helpful, others find it a net negative, or useless, or impossible to do. So a categorical "you should do this" isn't correct or particularly helpful. Try it, if it works for you, great; but don't put it about that people who aren't doing it are being negligent in some way Absolutely. I've tried mediation in many situations and some classes but it's just not for me. M…

> It's painfully boring and not relaxing at all.

It is a common misconception that the purpose of meditation is to relax. My experience is that meditation is very difficult but has worthwhile benefits for those around me after I meditate.

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