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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by gruez »

gib444 wrote: post #65
Aurornis wrote: post #31

This is an updated terms of service, but they've had ID verification for certain accounts and situations for months. Here is the Wayback Machine archive from April of their identity verification help page: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... Here's a random Reddit thread from 2 months ago about them rolling out identity verification: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1smr9vs/claud…

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If you have an actual rebuttal, present it. Don't use thinly veiled implications that OP is some sort of a shill as a substitute for a cogent rebuttal.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by card_zero »

chinathrow wrote: post #78
ai-x wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to give my identity to Anthropic and crush my competition with irrational fear about privacy and personal data. This is a serious competitive advantage and a moat.

Is this satire? I really can't tell.

Bragging about a strategy isn't very strategic. So the comment's purpose is something else.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah »

munk-a wrote: post #63
scottyah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it not? I get the whole fear of AI making robots and going anti-human, but after using the tech for a few months now that seems too absurd.

There are two rationale objections, I think... One is the potential for skill rot where AI grows a heavy dependence in new employees and once the real price per token cost is settled on and discoverable (post massive IPOs and probably a while post - not immediately after) we, as a society, are left with a bunch of people dependent on a deeply inefficient technology to maintain software we now view as vital that might…

Both seem to just point at the WALL-E outcome, summarized as humans outsourcing too much thinking. I just don't see that as an end- just another divide between people. I'm seeing some degradation for sure, but not really an "end".

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by sosodev »

anigbrowl wrote: post #70
herodoturtle wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious (and please forgive my ignorance if it’s obvious), are open weight models practically feasible? I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts. I guess I’m trying to understand the economics of it.

Sort of. A full trillion-parameter model needs about $300k of server hardware to run in and a lot of electricity, making it feasible only for very wealthy individuals, but quite practical for businesses and institutions above a certain size...although they in turn would typically gatekeep access. You can drastically reduce the requirements by running models at a lower bitrate, which somewhat reduces accuracy but not…

You can run a trillion parameter model with decent quality for far less than $300k. A cluster of 4 AMD AI Max 395+ boards with 128GB unified memory each can be had for around $15k. That would run the 4-bit quant of a trillion param model well enough for personal use. At full use the cluster would only be consuming around 400-500W of power too. That's about the same as one high end graphics card.

That's still a lot of money, but most people don't really need a trillion parameter model. If privacy is more valuable than the frontier capabilities then they could almost certainly get by with much less.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by sosodev »

herodoturtle wrote: post #23
SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I’m curious (and please forgive my ignorance if it’s obvious), are open weight models practically feasible? I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts. I guess I’m trying to understand the economics of it.

It depends entirely on what you want to do and think is feasible. Small models can almost certainly run on the computer that you already have. They can do good tool calling.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by thewebguyd »

scottyah wrote: post #47
mrits wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way I don't think this will end well for humanity.

How could it not? I get the whole fear of AI making robots and going anti-human, but after using the tech for a few months now that seems too absurd.

Because (collective) we don't own the tech. Frontier models are proprietary, their reasoning logic is hidden, and as seen with Fable the government giveth and taketh away on a whim.

Capabilities can be gated behind certification programs, or by money, or any other numerous corrupt and non-corrupt means. Model capabilities can be segregated by pricing tiers, creating an economic underclass that cannot afford access to frontier intelligence.

For humanity to benefit, the tech needs to be open and equally available to all.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by rib3ye »

roadside_picnic wrote: post #44
SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface. My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent po…

How many tokens /sec?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah »

petre wrote: post #76
scottyah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it not? I get the whole fear of AI making robots and going anti-human, but after using the tech for a few months now that seems too absurd.

It's would probably just burn more gas and make the climate even worse. Some assholes will get richer in the process.

But "some assholes" is an extremely large, growing group of people. Do you have any idea how much more productive small business owners are now? It's an insane boost for people who didn't want to spend their time on things that are extremely critical for business but not the focus of the business.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by hatthew »

herodoturtle wrote: post #23
SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I’m curious (and please forgive my ignorance if it’s obvious), are open weight models practically feasible? I mean from a financial and sustainability standpoint, assuming they’re equally powerful as their proprietary counterparts. I guess I’m trying to understand the economics of it.

I'm also curious, specifically about the cost of training vs inference, and comparing that to other industries that can have high R&D costs. My instinct says that open weights aren't feasible because of the obvious issue where there is no incentive to develop your own model rather than just taking someone else's model. However, I could see a scenario where a hardware company designs a model that is open weights but optimized strongly for their own proprietary hardware, cutting their costs of inference low enough to be competitive with a hypothetical other company that doesn't have any R&D expediture.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by toss1 »

onepointsixC wrote: post #22
throwaw12 wrote: post #11

Couple years ago the West was complaining about surveillance and scoring system of citizens in China (or was making fun of it) Seems like US wants to get ahead on this and be #1 Also Sam Altman will love this idea, because he already tried it with Worldcoin

The US is behind other democracies which have required photo id for social media and other content. And even if I disagree with these laws, surely you jest that showing a proof of age is not the same thing as surveilling and scoring.

It is not merely showing proof of age

It is using the proof of age requirement to require a much larger ask -- full proof of identity

Age verification could be done with any of a variety of mathematical systems showing you have a proven age-valid ID but not revealing your identity. But no one is suggesting they build and use such a system.

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