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In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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I find it odd that many of both the blog comments and the HN thread comments are focused on debating the merits of the feature itself rather than the broader point of the article, that a small isolated change made by one person can have a massive, long-lasting impact on software and on how billions of people interact with it for decades after it was implemented.

It’s like no one ever took a humanities class

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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If you continue in this industry of software creation in a corporate setting, and you put your name into the source code, eventually you will become known for products/features that you never expected to become known for. And the things you had actually worked the hardest on and hoped to become known for will be lost and forgotten to time. The process of creating things is completely within your control but the proce…

I have often felt that software should have a "Credits screen", like movies and video games do. For developers, QA staff, support staff, etc. I opened a bug to create one for our end-user facing software at my last job, but we never actually did it.

Excel 97 had an easier egg where if you entered a certain formula into a certain cell, a flight simulator would be invoked. In the flight simulator, you could fly to see an obelisk that listed the developer credits.

This is real.

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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I find it odd that many of both the blog comments and the HN thread comments are focused on debating the merits of the feature itself rather than the broader point of the article, that a small isolated change made by one person can have a massive, long-lasting impact on software and on how billions of people interact with it for decades after it was implemented. It’s like no one ever took a humanities class

This isn't necessarily true. The fact that we're still using squiggles decades later means that nobody else has come up with a better idea. If there are no better ideas, if this is the best UI design for spellchecking there is, then it's simple enough that, if not for him, someone else would've came up with it. How many ways are there to highlight a word in a sentence, really, especially when your constraint is that the UI for highlighting the word must not overlap with actual ways normal people highlight words in sentences because the application supports that for non-spellchecking features (highlighted background, color change, non-squiggly underline, etc.).

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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When you work in multi language environment the squiggles are often less than useful. They are just visual noise I must fight or ignore because the system tries to guess the language of the text I'm writing and it is most often wrong. And manually switching language settings between each interaction is way to inconvenient.

That's not a problem with the squiggles as a user interface, but with the software assuming that you speak only one language.

It's very odd to me how at my work's MS Dynamic 365 interface American-English spellings are red-underlined while British is not (e.g. color/gray but not colour/grey are underlined). The company is American-based and there are no dialect/country selections available.

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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I think it was Larry Constantine that really hated them. As he put it, when you are writing, you should always be thinking about your next words, but the squiggles draw your attention to the words you have already written. They shout at you, "Hey, listen! Do you really think you can spell? What's this 'fatouos' thing you've just written?" and will keep bothering you until you stop and go back to click on the undersqu…

Do you feel the same way about real-time syntax highlighting?

No, but writing VBA in Office was even worse than the squiggles, because it would show a modal error message if the line you'd just written contained a syntax error.

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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Teachers put red squiggles under misspelled words long before Word.

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Please don't sneer like this on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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I'm pretty sure that I was the one that came with the idea for adding them to generic text widgets when I implemented that in KDE (originally to add spell checking in KMail, since spell checking in email clients wasn't a thing yet). At that time spell checking was only done in word processors. Pretty quickly every other environment, including Windows and macOS followed suite.

> I'm pretty sure that I was the one that came with the idea for adding them to generic text widgets when I implemented that in KDE (originally to add spell checking in KMail, since spell checking in email clients wasn't a thing yet). When was it that you added it to KMail? Word '95 introduced the famous red squiggly underlines in 1995. I believe KMail introduced spell-checking in 2004.

As I said, it was about the generic widgets. Your memory on the time though was better than mine. I looked up the commit and it was April 9th, 2003.

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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I find it odd that many of both the blog comments and the HN thread comments are focused on debating the merits of the feature itself rather than the broader point of the article, that a small isolated change made by one person can have a massive, long-lasting impact on software and on how billions of people interact with it for decades after it was implemented. It’s like no one ever took a humanities class

So your teacher never underlined your homework with red or blue pencil? Doesn't seem a particularly original idea to me.

Re: In memory of the man who put red and green squiggles under words

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post #23

When you work in multi language environment the squiggles are often less than useful. They are just visual noise I must fight or ignore because the system tries to guess the language of the text I'm writing and it is most often wrong. And manually switching language settings between each interaction is way to inconvenient.

In firefox I downloaded dictionaries for all the languages I need. Of course at work microsoft outlook thinks it knows best and underlines every single word in my emails because I don't write them in the same language the UI is set to. Great help!
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