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The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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It smells an awful lot like the government is trying to pick a winner. Or, at least, a loser.

It would be a lot more believable this was pure corruption if it didn't come right after anthropic said mythos was a super weapon.

AI companies always say that whenever they release a bigger model.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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> That's not the lesson. There's a tremendous amount of money to make on US investments. Sure, but also, now suddenly you got cut from something and need to fight that fire, meanwhile you surely have other fires you'd much rather spend more effort on. That's not free either, and who knows how much they valued their use of Mythos. The lesson is quite literally to avoid anything US until it has stabilized again, which…

What does that have to do with investment? OP didn't say "don't integrate American tech company products into your workflow". Say what one will about the current state of America, it's still a solid place to dump money in hopes of returns.

> America, it's still a solid place to dump money in hopes of returns.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7dCB2U9lX48

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Google can't do it, OpenAI didn't do it, Meta didn't do it etc etc. Why do you think China will? I am quite certain the gap will only grow

DeepSeek took everyone by surprise with R1. I'm pretty sure they and/or others will do the unexpected again. Not as if the US has a monopoly on awesome talent.

A quick look at the author names on most recent big AI papers, says that's an understatement. US's comparative advantage is in data centers, not in expertise.

Of course, they're betting they won't need those experts soon.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Dario (of Mythos): "Companies we gave it to said – this is a super weapon. you should have to own a gun license to use it. please don't release this" Mythos is clearly dual use (and automatically subject to export controls), even if Anthropic didn’t understand what that means. Yes this administration can be capricious and hyperpartisan. This isn’t one of those cases.

Mythos and Fable are not the same model.

They literally are. This is not a case of extra fine tuning, this is a case of enabling or disabling smaller guard models you have to go through first before you get to Mythos.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Is that called jailbreak?

Yes. The biology/infosec fallback to Opus is the jail. Promoting to get around it (in my case accidentally) and have Fabre find exploits is the jailbreak.

Only if you were jailed correctly. Getting out of jail when you shouldn't've been jailed in the first place is not a jailbreak

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Or it is a straight up shake down: Upcoming IPO, Trump insiders demanding 10%.

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>> the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it Not if the USG locks models down to US citizens. The market will be too small and the model companies have already pumped in far too much money to limit their market to US citizens. Given that most big companies have a global presence they're going to need models that all of their employees can use. They're not going to d…

Route the user to a different server based on the citizenship info set on their account? Yeah that's way to hard for computers and computer programmers to do. There must be more than 100 countries out there! Computers can't possibly count that high.

I doubt the US government will be satisfied with allowing access to Fable if the user simply selects "USA" in the "citizenship" dropdown?

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>(especially Microsoft) Are you joking? When was this? Remember, Microsoft was the very first partner to deliver working warrantless surveillance capabilities (against their customers) to the NSA as part of the unconstitutional PRISM program, and this was back in 2007, nearly two decades ago.

And that's over 30 years since the company was founded and a full decade after the US Gov sued Microsoft on antitrust grounds going into the process with every intent on breaking up the company... Also saying they were the first is laughable. Warrantless telephone surveillance by law enforcement began all the way back in 1895...but really in the way that you would recognize today all the way back in 1994.

>Warrantless telephone surveillance by law enforcement

Not a part of PRISM. Microsoft was the very first PRISM partner, as I said.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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your claim that Chinese influence in South Korea is merely a MAGA conspiracy theory ignores the substantial economic and corporate reality on the ground, and inaccurately projects an irrelevant American political divide onto Korean geopolitics. In Korea, wariness of Chinese influence is a broad, bipartisan issue. there are many Chinese manual laborers in Korea, Chinese capital has also been heavily integrated into to…

I said this precisely because I am Korean and have been working in the IT industry right here in Korea. How many Chinese people do you think work at Naver, Kakao, Carrot, and Baemin in Korea? (Coupang might be an exception. I have often heard colleagues from Coupang badmouth the Chinese people there.) I have never worked in the Bay Area, and I only know about the US software industry through this site, but it is cert…

> Just as there are many young people on MAGA, there are also many young Koreans who are caught up in right-wing conspiracy theories.

You're literally talking to one. Search for any thread remotely related to Korean companies or politics in the last month and you'll see this user in the comments spouting classic conspiracy theories. Of course never replying when called out, as on HN we luckily have people like you and me who bring the facts and the majority doesn't have time for that kind of nonsense unlike the Korean communities they get these conspiracies from. See also [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48408364

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

> Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles

Considering how miniscule their ideological demands were, I think this is more of a classic "any amount of push back, no matter how miniscule will be punished to achieve full power" then anything to do with "Ideological Resistance".

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