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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by dylan604 »

Danox wrote: post #46
tristanj wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

They should’ve kept their distance from the government as long as they could don’t volunteer to be helpful. Don’t volunteer to go meet with politicians keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can. Nothing good comes with associating with them. Have a legal department trained to be the buffer between you and the government any contact any questions goes through them and since you’re paying them a ton of mone…

> keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can

this is the antithesis of a tech company whether it is VC funded or not, but especially if it is. you don't attract new users by laying low. you don't attract investors by laying low. laying low isn't even in a tech company's vocab.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by andrewchambers »

dylan604 wrote: post #51
Danox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should’ve kept their distance from the government as long as they could don’t volunteer to be helpful. Don’t volunteer to go meet with politicians keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can. Nothing good comes with associating with them. Have a legal department trained to be the buffer between you and the government any contact any questions goes through them and since you’re paying them a ton of mone…

> keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can this is the antithesis of a tech company whether it is VC funded or not, but especially if it is. you don't attract new users by laying low. you don't attract investors by laying low. laying low isn't even in a tech company's vocab.

I think they meant keep a low profile from the government, not customers. Anthropic is doing the opposite by loudly asking for regulation.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by tehjoker »

tristanj wrote: post #30
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

The fighting these companies had with the government was very nominal.

https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ (2014)

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by tristanj »

khalic wrote: post #50
tristanj wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

You're talking like it's business as usual. None of these companies had anything similar to this retaliation

Microsoft had it worse. Bill Gates was openly hostile and dismissive of the US government during Microsoft's anti-trust investigation, he believed anti-trust law was illegitimate and shouldn't apply to tech companies. He did not take the investigation seriously and repeatedly argued with investigators in his court deposition. In response, Microsoft got raked over the coals by the government, the company was almost broken up, and Gates stepped down as CEO after the debacle.

Now Microsoft stopped fighting the government, and is one of the US government's biggest partners, with massive DoD Azure cloud contracts.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by anonym29 »

tristanj wrote: post #30
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

>(especially Microsoft)

Are you joking? When was this? Remember, Microsoft was the very first partner to deliver working warrantless surveillance capabilities (against their customers) to the NSA as part of the unconstitutional PRISM program, and this was back in 2007, nearly two decades ago.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by luma »

embedding-shape wrote: post #18
echelon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> That's not the lesson. There's a tremendous amount of money to make on US investments. Sure, but also, now suddenly you got cut from something and need to fight that fire, meanwhile you surely have other fires you'd much rather spend more effort on. That's not free either, and who knows how much they valued their use of Mythos. The lesson is quite literally to avoid anything US until it has stabilized again, which…

What does that have to do with investment? OP didn't say "don't integrate American tech company products into your workflow".

Say what one will about the current state of America, it's still a solid place to dump money in hopes of returns.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by embedding-shape »

luma wrote: post #56
embedding-shape wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not the lesson. There's a tremendous amount of money to make on US investments. Sure, but also, now suddenly you got cut from something and need to fight that fire, meanwhile you surely have other fires you'd much rather spend more effort on. That's not free either, and who knows how much they valued their use of Mythos. The lesson is quite literally to avoid anything US until it has stabilized again, which…

What does that have to do with investment? OP didn't say "don't integrate American tech company products into your workflow". Say what one will about the current state of America, it's still a solid place to dump money in hopes of returns.

Yeah, countries ruled at whim by unstable governments tends to not be great for "dump money in hopes of return" but who am I to stop anyone, make your own informed decision.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

tristanj wrote: post #30
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

Nah, with Google etc it was more realizing their own interests aligned with the interests of the new administration.

By which I mean, they are both interested in being filthy rich, making hay while the sun shines, and stopping centrist forces from adding wealth taxes or anti-monopoly regulations.

Biden and Harris were getting too uppity about such things for their tastes.

Have you seen who Sergey Brin is budding around with these days, and what he -- a formerly very "left liberal" person involved in very vocal anti-Trump protestations inside and outside of Google -- is saying these days? Third richest dude in the world is terrified of wealth taxes being put in place by his former friends, and dating a MAGA "gut-health" influencer.

A gentleman's agreement was brokered between SV and the GOP involving some mutual backscratching.

Which Dario and crew aren't a part of. Yet.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by danieltanfh95 »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #44
tristanj wrote: post #3

This whole Fable 5 controversy will look quite silly once China releases a comparable model in six months.

Google can't do it, OpenAI didn't do it, Meta didn't do it etc etc. Why do you think China will? I am quite certain the gap will only grow

That's a skill issue, not a technology issue.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by dylan604 »

andrewchambers wrote: post #52
dylan604 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can this is the antithesis of a tech company whether it is VC funded or not, but especially if it is. you don't attract new users by laying low. you don't attract investors by laying low. laying low isn't even in a tech company's vocab.

I think they meant keep a low profile from the government, not customers. Anthropic is doing the opposite by loudly asking for regulation.

If the company is "hot" attracting a lot of users, then of course the gov't is going to come knocking too. They're going to want access to all of that user data even if it's not a service they could use directly. Sure, you don't have to go courting government contracts, but it's not like government employees are not going to see the same PR civilian users see.
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