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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by badc0ffee »

reaperducer wrote: post #44
Bender wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran into this with an NVMO mobile provider. They did not like my personal email domains (assorted .net and .org) so I nagged their customer support until they manually added it. Their marketing team happily emails my personal domains once added. Some day this will probably cause a problem but my goal is to eventually get rid of my cell phone either way.

I ran into this with an NVMO mobile provider. As of about six months ago, AT&T's web site would not accept email addresses without a three-character TLD. I had to get a customer service person on the phone to manually change my address.

Do you mean it was failing with a >3 character TLD?

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by cube00 »

switz wrote: post #92
jonotime wrote: post #82

Pro tip for doing something like this without apple. Buy or get a cheap domain name. Create a subdomain on it and have it catch and forward all messages to you when sent to that sub. For example: nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.

I do this. The awkward thing is when I am in person or on the phone and have to explain that my customer email address is [their_business_name]@my_weird_domain.tld But the people usually just nod along. The other downside is that it's forward-in only, wish I could proxy responses without setting up a whole new inbox (and outbox).

> The only awkward thing is when I am in person or on the phone and have to explain that my customer email address

I had one small business aggressively threaten me that they fully owned their business name and I wasn't allowed to use it in my email address.

My solution was to keep my wonderful aliases and dump them. If a business is concerned but nice about it I'll offer an alternative such as plumber@

> The other downside is that it's forward-in only, wish I could proxy responses without setting up a whole new inbox (and outbox).

If you have your own domain most mail providers don't care what username@ you use on your sent mail so you shouldn't need any additional mailboxes (especially if they already offer inbound catch all)

I also use the ReplayAsOriginalRecipientUp [1] extension in Thunderbird which takes the recipient address and puts it as the sender for ongoing communication.

[1]: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/reply...

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by airstrike »

switz wrote: post #92
jonotime wrote: post #82

Pro tip for doing something like this without apple. Buy or get a cheap domain name. Create a subdomain on it and have it catch and forward all messages to you when sent to that sub. For example: nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.

I do this. The awkward thing is when I am in person or on the phone and have to explain that my customer email address is [their_business_name]@my_weird_domain.tld But the people usually just nod along. The other downside is that it's forward-in only, wish I could proxy responses without setting up a whole new inbox (and outbox).

sometimes I'm lazy and I just have it as spam@firstlast.com or noreply@firstlast.com and they get quite puzzled

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by joeyhage »

quotz wrote: post #99
jonotime wrote: post #82

Pro tip for doing something like this without apple. Buy or get a cheap domain name. Create a subdomain on it and have it catch and forward all messages to you when sent to that sub. For example: nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.

I do something similar, use an open source service called addy.io, bought a domain but you can also use their domains too, and each website has a separate login i create through bitwarden with the addy integration.

addy.io and proton pass are both great, affordable options. (Proton pass has a built in hide-my-email feature that supports custom domains)

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by [deleted] »

x0x0 wrote: post #61
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

I used to run a hybrid mobile app + webapp company. Private emails regularly lead to awful customer service interactions because people cannot tell us the email they used to register. Fastmail at least is off the beaten path enough that people probably can understand. Apple, especially using sign in with Apple, is horrid. And not just people unable to tell us the email; they then create multiple accounts; try to sign…

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by cloudfudge »

joeyhage wrote: post #33
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Completely agree - have you encountered this before? The Gmail plus sign alias trick has been widely known for a long time and, to my knowledge, still works well today. It would be easy enough for websites to either block + in gmail addresses or instead grab the true email.

Some sites that block "+" in email addresses are actually just doing it out of incompetence. My credit union, for example, will actually accept an address with a "+" in it, but nothing will work because some broken bit of web 1.0 plumbing along the way converted it to a space (it shows up that way on my profile page). I wouldn't be surprised to see "&nbsp" on my printed bank statements.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by shoo_pl »

jonotime wrote: post #82

Pro tip for doing something like this without apple. Buy or get a cheap domain name. Create a subdomain on it and have it catch and forward all messages to you when sent to that sub. For example: nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.

The problem is if someone figures it out and starts sending you spam to {random}@domain.tld. That's when you will need to sit down and start creating actual aliases for all those used email addresses and stop the catch-all forwarding:)

Also, another downside is that you will loose privacy by using your own domain.

And the lack of privacy makes targeted scam/phishing more likely, and targeted scam is the one we are most susceptible to.

All in all, I am not saying this is bad idea, in fact I am doing it myself, just pointing out this is not so black and white.

Using iCloud solves those problems, but puts you at risk of getting your account banned and loosing access to those emails, so there is that.

Probably best way to deal with it is to get dedicated email domain with a bunch of your friends, and hook it up with something like SimpleLogin. But that's gets complicated quickly ;)

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by snark42 »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #89
LordDragonfang wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Nah. I have hosted my domain for 17 years on google and then fastmail. The hosting is harder than private relay, although not too hard. But I have only had maybe 3 services ever reject my domain, and those were because the domain contains a number.

I've had some reject my e-mail address because it contains their company name. REI was one (ie it wouldn't allow rei@domain.com but would accept reicoop@domain.com)
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