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Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by ndiddy »

TwoFerMaggie wrote: post #99
ndiddy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because ALPS stopped making keyswitches when rubber domes completely took over the market in the early 2000s, and Cherry kept making MX switches. When the mechanical keyboard market started back up in the early 2010s, Cherry was there and ALPS wasn't. I agree it's a shame. I think we've seen clicky switches become a niche and most of the market switch to linear switches mainly because MX style clicky swi…

> At least Matias still makes modern ALPS style switches, they're one of the best clicky options available today. Would be great if they don't have chatter issues.. I'm typing on my third matias and all three started chattering after some use. Their quiet switches are the best tactile ones I've ever tried. Sound so nice too.

Their clicky switches (Matias Click) don't have this issue, I think it's only on the tactile ones (Matias Quiet Click). Agreed that it's a shame they've been selling them for so long and haven't worked out how to make them not chatter.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by momopoco »

zamadatix wrote: post #98
ModelFKeyboards wrote: post #92

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Yes, that's actually step 2 in the manual - check everything and email me if something broke in shipping. I get emails when things break so people do follow the manual! The manual was significantly updated recently.

If it's in the manual that's great, the problem is with what's on the purchase page though.

That’s the crux of it, he will use what’s on the purchase page to deny your return and any credit card chargebacks.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

#103

Post by ebbi »

kqr wrote: post #79
ndiddy wrote: post #27

Note that Ellipse/modelfkeyboards is notorious in the keyboard community for poor quality control and support. The keyboards often come misaligned or damaged in shipping, and it's up to you to fix them. I'm not sure about their beam spring keyboards, but their Model F keyboards come without keycaps installed, meaning that the keys haven't even been tested to actuate properly before the keyboard is shipped. If you hav…

What a contrast against MoErgo, which I recently contacted just to notify them that a keycap broke in transport due to rough handling by the postal service. Although spare keycaps came with the purchase and the broken one still worked anyway, they insisted on sending me a replacement for the keycap that broke.

I'm eyeing a MoErgo Go60 at the moment... Which one did you buy?

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by kqr »

ebbi wrote: post #103
kqr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a contrast against MoErgo, which I recently contacted just to notify them that a keycap broke in transport due to rough handling by the postal service. Although spare keycaps came with the purchase and the broken one still worked anyway, they insisted on sending me a replacement for the keycap that broke.

I'm eyeing a MoErgo Go60 at the moment... Which one did you buy?

Glove80 with the heavier blossom switches, due to bad earlier experience with light linear MX switches. I could have gotten the lighter blossom variant and it would probably have been even better. (I was worried about accidental actuation but with the palm rest and key well that doesn't seem to happen much.) (From my understanding Chocs practically speaking only come in linear flavours, where the "tactile" switches are crunchy linear.)

I wanted to prioritise comfort over transportability and boy is it comfortable.

It's okay to transport too but with the size of its case I've had to upgrade to a bigger backpack to carry my workstation. (I work mostly from home but sometimes also from the in-laws house.)

I have had it for a month so I'll write a full review later.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by rbanffy »

Applejinx wrote: post #15
rbanffy wrote: post #10

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I understand they are restarting production from scratch for a product that no longer exists and that nobody actually knows how to make, but being openly unreliable is a significant problem at this price point.

Nah. It's a british sports car, but a keyboard. At this price point the idea that you can have a little pile of parts and take it apart on weekends to fiddle with the springs is its own selling point. I'm typing this on a Das that's been completely reliable and, to some extent, clackety and 'special' in its own right. There's five other keyboards that came with computers not thirty feet away including an older Das th…

I guess I’m more into German sports cars. I would love a reliable beam spring keyboard.

Quite frankly, I’d totally have a real 3278-2 as my daily driver.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by ModelFKeyboards »

zamadatix wrote: post #98
ModelFKeyboards wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's actually step 2 in the manual - check everything and email me if something broke in shipping. I get emails when things break so people do follow the manual! The manual was significantly updated recently.

If it's in the manual that's great, the problem is with what's on the purchase page though.

Where does it say you have to live with broken keycaps? Please send me a quote and link so I can check.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

#107

Post by gunalx »

jolmg wrote: post #64
ndiddy wrote: post #27

Note that Ellipse/modelfkeyboards is notorious in the keyboard community for poor quality control and support. The keyboards often come misaligned or damaged in shipping, and it's up to you to fix them. I'm not sure about their beam spring keyboards, but their Model F keyboards come without keycaps installed, meaning that the keys haven't even been tested to actuate properly before the keyboard is shipped. If you hav…

> You just have to keep in mind that you'll be paying over $400 for a keyboard that may arrive broken, and if it does you will have as close to no warranty as what's legally possible. PinePhone Pro vibes, except the PPP's problem isn't lack of QC; it's just lack of (FOSS) SW support. Pay 400 bucks, may need lots of tweaking/work to get it usable. Market is enthusiasts that aren't satisfied by anything else and/or tha…

Basically everything pine64 ships has a. We dumped all software development and support on the foss community. Problem. And the hardware isn't even that open. I do still like their non locked in approach though. And the pinephone is still one of few truly Linux phones.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by lproven »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #57
porknubbins wrote: post #22

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Are mechanical keyboards becoming a way to show off like the programmer equivalent of loud truck exhaust? The sound is satisfying yes, but with other people in mind I am looking for the quietest mechanical keyboard I can find these days. I have become self conscious about typing quietly during phone calls or meetings in case I am unmuted.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but is the loudness of your keyboard really a big deal in office environments? Like I get if where you work is as quiet as a library, but in most places people are on voice calls, talking to each other over your head, etc. Any one complaining about clicky keys in that kind of environment can get stuffed as far as I am concerned.

Exactly. I started out in my first job in an open-plan office where everyone had Model F and Model M keyboards because we were an IBM dealer and that's what IBM shipped. We made calls, talked to customers, talked to clients in the office and so on, no problem, because we were used to it.

The biggest such environment I worked in circa 1993 had about 40 people in it. No problem.

I carefully kept a bunch of those keyboards as people were throwing them out in the late 1990s and early 2000s and I have about 5-6 original IBM boards. I still use them. Yes in open plan offices, in the last decade. Including in crowded workplaces. I let people try my keyboards, encourage them to pick them up and feel them. I let my younger colleagues marvel that I type on a keyboard older than they are.

Nobody minds. I've had like 2 complaints this century. It's not that bad.

And it's also worth noting that I don't have RSI, I think because I use stiff mechanical boards with long travel and my fingers get a workout, even if the rest of me doesn't.

Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by [deleted] »

gunalx wrote: post #107
jolmg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just have to keep in mind that you'll be paying over $400 for a keyboard that may arrive broken, and if it does you will have as close to no warranty as what's legally possible. PinePhone Pro vibes, except the PPP's problem isn't lack of QC; it's just lack of (FOSS) SW support. Pay 400 bucks, may need lots of tweaking/work to get it usable. Market is enthusiasts that aren't satisfied by anything else and/or tha…

Basically everything pine64 ships has a. We dumped all software development and support on the foss community. Problem. And the hardware isn't even that open. I do still like their non locked in approach though. And the pinephone is still one of few truly Linux phones.

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Re: New Beam Spring Keyboards

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Post by [deleted] »

gunalx wrote: post #107
jolmg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just have to keep in mind that you'll be paying over $400 for a keyboard that may arrive broken, and if it does you will have as close to no warranty as what's legally possible. PinePhone Pro vibes, except the PPP's problem isn't lack of QC; it's just lack of (FOSS) SW support. Pay 400 bucks, may need lots of tweaking/work to get it usable. Market is enthusiasts that aren't satisfied by anything else and/or tha…

Basically everything pine64 ships has a. We dumped all software development and support on the foss community. Problem. And the hardware isn't even that open. I do still like their non locked in approach though. And the pinephone is still one of few truly Linux phones.

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