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Sounds like the flavour theaurus
Sounds like the flavour colour wheel.
Sounds like the flavour roulette wheel.
All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes
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Unless I'm missing something, there's also nothing in the paper to indicate this is "all of human ingredients"? It looks like it's 11 data sources covering a bunch of common cuisines, with the English + Chinese sources accounting for 90% (!) of the dataset. Among others, Africa and the Arab world are not present in the data (good for about 25% of the global population). Also, all non-English terms were AI-translated…
Leaving out Indian, Southeast Asian and Arab cuisine means this is nigh useless.
There are 2,000+ varieties of mangoes alone. You could literally end up with a larger file using only mangoes.
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#103Neat. I'm trying to compress recipes into little schematics https://leontrolski.github.io/recipes.html
This is cool - I tried automating different recipe formats/visualizations at https://www.gobsmacked.io. I was thinking of trying to do something similar to this next.
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#104I had Claude Code implement this for me with the data and information from there and it seems all right. Maybe it works well for substitutions rather than recipe construction: https://viz.roshangeorge.dev/recipe-model/
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#105The work is very interesting. The title is misleading. A better title would be: "all of human ingredients compressed into 1,800 primitives" There is little to substantively nothing about the actual cooking: preparation methods, proportions, etc. But the idea that tomato goes well with beef the whole world over is very interesting and useful for creating flavors that will go together, perhaps surprisingly. It will be…
can anyone check whether pineapple goes well with baked dough with cheese/tomato sauce?
Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes
#106The work is very interesting. The title is misleading. A better title would be: "all of human ingredients compressed into 1,800 primitives" There is little to substantively nothing about the actual cooking: preparation methods, proportions, etc. But the idea that tomato goes well with beef the whole world over is very interesting and useful for creating flavors that will go together, perhaps surprisingly. It will be…
I have a wonderful book that explores this idea of an atlas of flavours that work together. The flavor bible. I can assure you that it does not contain 1800 ingredients in all of there combinations, but it does a remarkable job of covering a widely used selection of herbs spices vegetables and meats. I doubt a compressed version of the text would even be very large. The trouble I find with LLM generated recipes is th…
yeah I took a look at this and others and tried to pull together some helpful 'flavor maps':
Re: All of human cooking compressed into 2 megabytes
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a wonderful book that explores this idea of an atlas of flavours that work together. The flavor bible. I can assure you that it does not contain 1800 ingredients in all of there combinations, but it does a remarkable job of covering a widely used selection of herbs spices vegetables and meats. I doubt a compressed version of the text would even be very large. The trouble I find with LLM generated recipes is th…
> The trouble I find with LLM generated recipes is they miss the nuance of the technique. Often the success of a depends on a single step or ratio. For instance “fried chicken” has a million incarnations the world over, but you can’t just average out the recipes and end up with tasty fried chicken. Specify what technique you want. Explicitly say you want to correctly follow all the techniques of the chosen cuisine. A…
> All the LLMs have ingested nearly every cookbook ever made, across multiple languages.
That's not a positive thing, good recipe developers are Rare. For every recipe that's been meticulously tested and documented there are 1000 that haven't been. Many cookbooks are riddled with errors.
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#108Similarly, all of human programming can be broken down into 128 characters
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#109I saw this on X/Twitter. I do not believe that human cooking, and all of its techniques and ingredients and the various ways that things can be prepared in different cultural contexts can be compressed in to 2 megabytes. It is sort of like saying here is a 1GB model that can do tool calling and coding and then you try it out and it barely functions. Yes, it technically is a 1GB coding model, but it isn't a good one.
The space of palatable human food is small. There are only a few thousand ingredients and a few thousand preparation techniques. This could easily be compressed at high fidelity into a model.
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+1. On a side note (and maybe off topic), I am thinking about food pairing which is based on the idea that two ingredients sharing volatile aroma compounds or certain molecular families may have a potential sensory compatibility (broccolis and strawberries for example). I'd love to test those ingredients and find some unknown food pairings. But .. time is what it is (for now).
I think it's a lot simpler than that. A common pattern for sauces is fat + acid + salt - (Mexican) avocado and lime/lemon + salt - (Chinese-southwestern) chili oil and vinegar + salt/fermented bean paste - (Italian) olive oil and tomato + salt - (Turkish) olive oil and lemon + salt - (Thai) coconut milk and lime + salt ...
https://www.saltfatacidheat.com/
This book was an eye opener for me. Obvious in retrospect; I wondered how I did not notice it myself.