People here like it, but end-to-end encryption is an objectively worse user experience for people that don't care about that feature
Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Users generally do not believe Instagram is reading their chats. Source: I have had this conversation many, many times.
> do not believe Instagram is reading Well, not when they had to pay people for it. Now, however ...
A lot of people are blissfully unaware how any piece of software is profitable. Tech and business literacy are terribly low.
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#103Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.
I don't buy that. They could have done more with it despite the constraints. There's been a big lack of interest from Apple for a long time. Just like every few years they introduce a completely new Mac Pro with all the fanfare and then completely lose interest and let it wither and die for 5 years.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple's response to the UK gov asking to see users' iCloud data says enough about where their priorities lie [1]. They do something far worse in China [2]. Don't fool yourself into believing Apple cares about your privacy. They care about money. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/apple-moves-to-st...
Your links say that Apple complies with the laws of major countries. Which companies don’t do that?
Google of all companies didn't. And we all know how much they care about privacy.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
By disabling Apple "Intelligence" you bypass the risk of your prompts going to OpenAI.
What is your concern about prompts to go OpenAI? Apple has a contract with OpenAI that explicitly prevents them from logging, storing, training, or making any use of your prompts other than to satisfy the specific current request. Apple has some good lawyers and I’m sure that the teeth are prominent in that contract.
Not to mention the fact that the default settings are to ask the user before sending anything to ChatGPT, and you can selectively disable just the ChatGPT integration while leaving Apple Intelligence enabled.
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#106I didn’t even know it was available to opt-in to! Probably why adoption wasn’t great.
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#107It's too bad we fell so hard for centralization. In an alternate universe, messaging on the Internet could have been: 1. Alice's device has a publicly routable IP address with a domain name like alice.home.her.isp 2. Bob's device is has same qualities, using: bob.mobile.his.isp Then Alice can just open her chat app up, add bob@bob.mobile.his.isp and off they go. I mean we had UNIX's "talk" for how long but instead of…
Big question is how to put sgt.cia.gov or mayor.fbi.gov in the middle between alice.home.her.isp and bob.mobile.his.isp.
That is why centralised messengers are pushed hard.
And this is not to protect society from harm, as many would assume.
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#108I don't understand why they would go in this inversely-progressive direction.
Shouldn't we be aiming to increase e2e encryption for the most regularly used communication platforms?
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#109Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.
Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.
> I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.
Precisely because it's your feelings, not objective observation.
No public company would care of their users, even remotely.
Indeed, during Jobs time it actually worked that way, but that time is long gone.
The OS is not nearly the best, just like laptops.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do people expect that Instagram can't read their Instagram private messages? I don't think people expect that. And E2EE is not nearly as cheap as the HN crowd likes to pretend—how do those devices get those keys if not through a central service? Especially if one of them is a web browser?
>Do people expect that Instagram can't read their Instagram private messages? I don't think people expect that. A deeper question is why we reached a point where people can't reasonably expect their communication to not be spied on.
People, or at least Americans, didn’t care in 2012 when the Snowden reveal happened. We’ve been at that point for over a decade now.