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U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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post #49

I tried to track down the original source of the news that World ID is being adopted by Zoom and Tinder and DocuSign and it looks like it's an event they hosted on April 17th. Here's their blog post about it: https://world.org/blog/announcements/the-new-world-id-and-th... There were more logos on that title slide: Tinder, DocuSign, Zoom, Okta, Vercel, Shopify, Browsnerbase, AWS, exa, RAZER, Coinbase, VanEck

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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I don’t think what he said is whataboutism, the original claim was that this policy was related to the US becoming “most hated country”. But if it is just doing something that every other country is also doing, then it doesn’t seem like it’d move the needle much on “most hated country” status.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#103

his mark of the beast attempt # ?

Weirdly, peter thiel is going on tour right now promoting the idea that the antichrist is coming and may be an organization or social movement rather than a person. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I only skimmed the articles about it

Peter Theil's only worry is that someone/something is going to beat him to it.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#104

I think we need less technology. Can we have a de-tech movement? Life-saving tech is fine but enough is enough with software, AI, surveillance, etc. It's too much. It's been too much for the past twenty years or so.

You shouldn't be down voted for this. It's a valid opinion and it's an acceptable lifestyle. My personal line doesn't go back 20 years. But I think a lot of people can relate.

It's alright. Lots of people on HN aren't able to handle contrarian viewpoints.

Being hated by idiots is the price you pay for not being one of them.

- Jean Cocteau

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#105

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'And how do you know this is the case?' : 'Receipts, mostly.'.

yeah, always struck me as odd that Thiel is more obsessed with identifying candidate antichrists than almost anyone else on the planet, including some people who are actually observant Christians, and yet it doesn't seem to have occurred to him that the most messianic secular figures who treat themselves as above mere laws and the guys making millenarian prophesies about the scale of what they're going to deliver are…

It's just the same boring dynamic whereby every accusation is a confession. Come out swinging, and then the obvious parallels between the antichrist and Trump or even Thiel himself fall flat. Basically "no yuo"

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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I don’t think what he said is whataboutism, the original claim was that this policy was related to the US becoming “most hated country”. But if it is just doing something that every other country is also doing, then it doesn’t seem like it’d move the needle much on “most hated country” status.

We're discussing this in the context of Altman's project, which is a project by a US company. You're welcome to find examples from other countries but the OP didn't mention any of them. The fact is that currently no other country has the same kind of techno-fascism, it's US-specific and mostly caused by the lack of education of your new tech elite. The new generation consist mostly of dropouts who barely read and talk about things they're not qualified to talk about at all. That wouldn't be a problem if they didn't have so much influence.

US companies used to do their business, now they're publishing fascist manifests (e.g. Alex Karp) and directly interfere in politics (e.g. Peter Thiel, Elon Musk). That's not even remotely comparable to what's going on in other countries.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#108

The axiom here is that both AI and the human internet are worth keeping. Tech like World ID is scary. Agreed. What is the better alternative? AI isn't going away and a human internet is worth preserving.

> What is the better alternative?

One alternative is https://self.xyz . It generates ZK proofs from the digital signature on your e-passport or national ID card. That allows you to prove "human" or "over 18" or "not on the OFAC list" without revealing your name, date of birth or nationality.

Disclosure: I'm an advisor for Self

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#109
post #31

This is an odd topic. On the one hand, we do seem to have a problem where attention is hijacked by engagement farming. On the other, we also know of problems from draconian management. I would actually like it if we had something that could say, only promote things on my feeds that are "liked" by people within a geographic radius of me. At the least, mute things that are getting pumped from hostile regions. I just do…

> only promote things on my feeds that are "liked" by people within a geographic radius of me Ugh, really? I live in a part of town where I speak a different language than the vast majority of the people in this "geographic radius of me" which means I'd see very little content that I could understand. Where do people come up with these wild ideas of anything other than show me the content of people I want to see in t…

I mean, I don't think it has to be quite so literal that you can't work with it. Translate is also a thing.

And if you are building your own list, that is still perfectly fine for how this would work. My suggestion was not to remove the ability to do that. It is to add the ability of ignoring "liked" things where the "likes" are not from people near me. And, I realize that "near" is not necessarily geographic.

Similar problems exist with "trending." It is far too influenced by bots to be at all a reliable indicator of what is actually trending.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

#110
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This assumes that most people would choose that feed? Which, I'm less convinced. That is, this sounds like the idea that telling people if bad things happen when you eat too much candy, then people will eat less candy. Just flat not the case at large. Yes, you also have to document the downsides of candy. Such that I'm also all for having that feed. But I don't see it being enough to move the needle much, on its own.

> That is, this sounds like the idea that telling people if bad things happen when you eat too much candy, then people will eat less candy. Just flat not the case at large. Seems like there's an effect but it just takes time. The younger generations are smoking and drinking less. Maybe the trend will be to abstain from social media feeds and chronological feeds will be their Zima.

This feels wrong, too? Younger generations smoke less because we have made it very hard for them to smoke more. Literally where are they going to do it? And the proliferation of zyn and similar isn't exactly problem free.

Alcohol is a trend that is talked about a lot. I'm not entirely clear on what we know of that. So many hot takes that largely seem conflicting with each other.

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